Strat Tourney

[StupidKid 0]

Did Slacker say he wasn't gonna be here this week? Zach set it up? Week 10 of 10 I think.Everyone welcome obv.Set up: 21.00 ET, $5.50 entry, Password = fcpfcpJoinnnnnnnnnnn.

[qyayqi 12]

i'll try to wake up for it.

[StupidKid 0]

Bump.

[Yahkin 0]

I'll be there. What was the finish order last week? I will try to run the numbers in Slacker's absence.

[Yahkin 0]

Ok, I found the info. Here is last weeks finish order and points:Week 9 Finish Order1 - Ouch-8s (24)2 - qyayqi (21) (Includes +5 Bounty)3 - Copernicus/TheDominator (10)4 - goheels/JAS II (8)5 - Yahkin (5)6 - TimWakefield (4)7 - GalloFX (3)8 - fitzinabox (2)9 - SlackerInc1 (1)Current Standings:1: goheels/JAS II (95 pts)2: stupidkid888 (88)3: SlackerInc (74)4: Yahkin (71)5: Copernicus/TheDominator (49)6: Gallo (45)7: qyayqi (42)8: tripdeuces/mrbumpkin (36)9: Ouch-8s (31)10: tskilz187 (25)11: simo_8ball (20)12(tie): aucu (16)12(tie): conor_mw (16)14(tie): IBTHEPENNY (13)14(tie): meservery/ererevsym (13)16(tie): GrinderMJ (9)16(tie): Southrnctowl (9)18(tie): vivian.girls/navybuttons (7)19: Dave_Nicoson (6)20: Naslund44 (5)21(tie): kestral123/DonkMeister (4)21(tie): Monixc (4)21(tie): KevinJA8 (4)21(tie): Zach6668 (4)21(tie): TimWakefield (4)26: Lolli74 (3)27: HardcorePawn (2)27: fitzinabox (2)29(tie): KYSlim05 (1)29(tie): dereeekho (1) Still anybodies game between goheels and stupidkid888...And mathmatically I still have a chance depending on turnout and if I pickup the bounty on Ouch-8 tonight. :)I also pledge $1 toward the prize fund for the 10 week overall winner.

[SlackerInc 0]

Huh?I wheedled my uncle into letting me install PS on his computer (he was paranoid about viruses/worms/spyware/whatever) and I don't see the tourney! What am I missing?

[StupidKid 0]

Huh?I wheedled my uncle into letting me install PS on his computer (he was paranoid about viruses/worms/spyware/whatever) and I don't see the tourney! What am I missing?

Tourney # = 52748700

[SlackerInc 0]

Turns out this newly installed version didn't weed out completed tourneys and I was looking at June 12!So...c'mon, let's play, people! Still a few min. left to register.

[simo_8ball 1]

Ok, I'm in.

[GWCGWC 83]

I found the thread!Yay me

[simo_8ball 1]

Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t15/t307 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: t980BB: t1730Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J J UTG folds, Hero raises to t80, 4 folds, BB calls t50 (pot was t125).Flop: 8 Q T (t175, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.Turn: 4 (t175, 2 players)BB bets t120, Hero calls t120 (pot was t295).River: 4 (t415, 2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t120, BB raises all-in t1530, Hero calls all-in t660Ok, the following comments are obvious:1) Bet the flop.2) Check behind on the river.3) Fold to the shove.Having said that, I like to play a little kooky at times. I have a passive side to me on occasion, and I like to put myself into odd situations. I'll address the flop first.My hand is fairly strong at this point against villain's likely range, but if I'm against a draw or even air I can easily be raised off my hand. I also have a gutshot draw, so if villain is looking to c/r me with a queen/set/draw I can take a free card. If villain has air/low pair/draw, it's likely that he will bet the turn drawing slim.Consider the possible scenarios against a draw:I bet flop and get raised - I lose $120-$150.I bet the flop and get called - I would likely check behind on most turns allowing villain to see both streets for $120-$150.I check the flop - Villain bets turn normally and I call, allowing villain to see both streets for $120-$150.If it's the same overall result either way but I never get bluffed when I check, then checking is clearly better. I believe this to be the case.Consider the possible scenarios against a hand that beats me:Not really important. Checking is clearly better against all hands that beat me.Consider the possible scenarios against an 8 or a 10:Villain has about 5 outs against me (assuming it isn't 98 or T9), and I am more likely to get a value bet paid off on the turn. That, or I can call a bet on the turn.Consider the possible scenarios against air:Villain has at most 3 outs. I encourage him to take a stab on the turn by checking. I'm not really worried about free cards.Now, on the river I nearly checked behind, but I couldn't think of a single hand beating me that checks the river. Villain's hand looks like either air or a random 10 or 8. I figured a small value bet could possibly get called.When he shoved I was pretty clueless. It had to be either the nuts or two napkins, and I couldn't see the river check ever being a trap. Getting 2/1 I think I had to call because my line looked very weak and encouraged a bluff.Thoughts?

[SlackerInc 0]

GG Owl. I don't like to complain about bad beats, but I would be curious to see what people would advise on the flop on that one hand (you know the one, lol)...so would you post it?I need to get back to the fam, so someone else will need to figure the final standings. See you all in a couple weeks or so!

[StupidKid 0]

JJ hand

This was such a freaking weird hand, theres numerous things to consider and I'm tired so I'll look it at tomorrow. Ultimately thought I think you played the hand really well until the river where I'd probably fold to the shove since I don't think he's doing this without at least the flush. Checking to raise there is fairly bad IMO, you haven't defined your hand at all in this hand and could easily have just checked behind. Weird, weird hand.

[Yahkin 0]

I'm pretty sure I haven't been more pissed about a hand than this one...EVER! The play in these has been solid and all of a sudden I'm playing in a freeroll.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB (t3660)BB (t1640)UTG (t1110)UTG+1 (t980)MP1 (t1455)MP2 (t2070)CO (t1550)Hero (t1035)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. 3 folds, MP2 raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero raises to t210, 2 folds, MP2 calls t120.Flop: (t465) J, 9, 5(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t300, MP2 calls t300.Turn: (t1065) 8(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t525 (All-In), MP2 calls t525.River: (t2115) A(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t2115Results in white below:MP2 has 7c Tc (straight, jack high). Hero has Qd Qc (one pair, queens). Outcome: MP2 wins t2115.Is there any reason ANYONE would suspect villain has a T7 in this hand? QT is a possibility I guess(Unlikely since I'm holding 2 Qs), but that's pretty bad too. I really can't see getting away from this hand.You're such a donk Gallo.

[StupidKid 0]

I'm pretty sure I haven't been more pissed about a hand than this one...EVER! The play in these has been solid and all of a sudden I'm playing in a freeroll.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB (t3660)BB (t1640)UTG (t1110)UTG+1 (t980)MP1 (t1455)MP2 (t2070)CO (t1550)Hero (t1035)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. 3 folds, MP2 raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero raises to t210, 2 folds, MP2 calls t120.Flop: (t465) J, 9, 5(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t300, MP2 calls t300.Turn: (t1065) 8(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t525 (All-In), MP2 calls t525.River: (t2115) A(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t2115Results in white below:MP2 has 7c Tc (straight, jack high). Hero has Qd Qc (one pair, queens). Outcome: MP2 wins t2115.Is there any reason ANYONE would suspect villain has a T7 in this hand? QT is a possibility I guess(Unlikely since I'm holding 2 Qs), but that's pretty bad too. I really can't see getting away from this hand.You're such a donk Gallo.

Don't fold this, IMO 710cc should be folding preflop to your 3-bet, altho you did make it relatively cheap for Villain with your 3-bet. There aren't pot odds or implied odds to call the flop bet, you're pot committed by then anyway so easy shove on the turn. I'm pretty sure you played this hand fine, Villain got lucky.Considering these things are essentially a sng I think people are way overestimating suited connectors/gappers. Just my 0.02

[Yahkin 0]

Grats on the tourney win NEtwowilldo!Grats on the 10 week series win goheels!------------------------------------------------Week 10 Finish Order and Points:1: southrnctowl/NEtwowilldo (29) (Includes +5 Bounty)2: SlackerInc1 (16)3: GalloFX (10)4: GWCGWC (8)5: stupidkid888 (5)6: JAS II (4)7: simo_8ball (3)8: Yahkin (2)9: KYSlim05 (1)Final Standings:1: goheels/JAS II (99 pts)2: stupidkid888 (93)3: SlackerInc (90)4: Yahkin (73)5: Copernicus/TheDominator (49)6: Gallo (55)7: qyayqi (42)8: Southrnctowl/NEtwowilldo (38)9: tripdeuces/mrbumpkin (36)10: Ouch-8s (31)11: tskilz187 (25)12: simo_8ball (23)13(tie): aucu (16)13(tie): conor_mw (16)15(tie): IBTHEPENNY (13)15(tie): meservery/ererevsym (13)17: GrinderMJ (9)18: GWCGWC (8)19: vivian.girls/navybuttons (7)20: Dave_Nicoson (6)21: Naslund44 (5)22(tie): kestral123/DonkMeister (4)22(tie): Monixc (4)22(tie): KevinJA8 (4)22(tie): Zach6668 (4)22(tie): TimWakefield (4)27: Lolli74 (3)28(tie): HardcorePawn (2)28(tie): fitzinabox (2)28(tie): KYSlim05 (2)31: dereeekho (1)

[Ouch-8s 5]

Hey sorry I missed this last night but I worked late and didn't give it a second thought until someone mentioned a bounty on me. I hope I didn't screw anything up by not being around to donk off a buyin and an extra five points.

[qyayqi 12]

nice, jas. i'll take my 7th with 2 played.

[Gallo 1]

I'm pretty sure I haven't been more pissed about a hand than this one...EVER! The play in these has been solid and all of a sudden I'm playing in a freeroll.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB (t3660)BB (t1640)UTG (t1110)UTG+1 (t980)MP1 (t1455)MP2 (t2070)CO (t1550)Hero (t1035)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. 3 folds, MP2 raises to t90, 1 fold, Hero raises to t210, 2 folds, MP2 calls t120.Flop: (t465) J, 9, 5(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t300, MP2 calls t300.Turn: (t1065) 8(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero bets t525 (All-In), MP2 calls t525.River: (t2115) A(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t2115Results in white below:MP2 has 7c Tc (straight, jack high). Hero has Qd Qc (one pair, queens). Outcome: MP2 wins t2115.Is there any reason ANYONE would suspect villain has a T7 in this hand? QT is a possibility I guess(Unlikely since I'm holding 2 Qs), but that's pretty bad too. I really can't see getting away from this hand.You're such a donk Gallo.

Yeah, I know I'm a donk. But here is my train of thought. In the past ones you and SK have been reraising my raises, some of the times with garbage and other times not. Earlier on, I raised from the button (I actually had KK) and Yahkin reraised me. So I knew that me being on the button and you guys in the blinds I would be getting played back at a lot. Anyway, this is one of the types of flops I like to see, especially with my hand. With your bet on the flop I really wasn't sure if you actually had a hand or not, your CB could've been just that a CB. Well I figured if I hit my hand I would definitely bust you if you did have a big pair, also if I hit another club on turn I'd have 2 draws that would definitely beat you there. IDK, it may sound like I'm rambling off a bit.Personally, with your stack, I think you should've have shoved that flop. When I called, I looked at your stack and at my stack and that is more or less how I was basing my decisions. Like I said, it may sound like I'm rambling. Meh.

[StupidKid 0]

Personally, with your stack, I think you should've have shoved that flop. When I called, I looked at your stack and at my stack and that is more or less how I was basing my decisions. Like I said, it may sound like I'm rambling. Meh.

This would be a primary reason why I'd fold, If villain had a huuuuuge stack and you know you get all his chips if you hit i'd be willing to call the 300, but Yahkin was shortstacked. The risk far outweighed the reward in this situation.

[Yahkin 0]

Yeah, I know I'm a donk. But here is my train of thought. In the past ones you and SK have been reraising my raises, some of the times with garbage and other times not. Earlier on, I raised from the button (I actually had KK) and Yahkin reraised me. So I knew that me being on the button and you guys in the blinds I would be getting played back at a lot. Anyway, this is one of the types of flops I like to see, especially with my hand. With your bet on the flop I really wasn't sure if you actually had a hand or not, your CB could've been just that a CB. Well I figured if I hit my hand I would definitely bust you if you did have a big pair, also if I hit another club on turn I'd have 2 draws that would definitely beat you there. IDK, it may sound like I'm rambling off a bit.Personally, with your stack, I think you should've have shoved that flop. When I called, I looked at your stack and at my stack and that is more or less how I was basing my decisions. Like I said, it may sound like I'm rambling. Meh.

I wondered what you had there. I had AJs and reraised you for info...I know your range from the button can be a bit wider, so I wanted to see If my AJ was any good. I got the info I needed. :)As for shoving the flop...I looked the hand over after I busted out and thought about that. I really wanted you to hang around with TP/MP or with overcards thinking I was cBetting. (I did my job well.) Unfortunately, I really didn't consider the 8 a scare card based on the action.

[Gallo 1]

Sorry to have pissed you off Yahkin. My style of play is very laggy early on if people want to call it donkish, so be it, I look to build my chip stack early and then play tight aggro when I do build it up. That's just my style. It's a style I'm comfortable with, I do get played back often, but that's what my style has to deal with at times...playing after the flop. Sometimes I don't think some people in strat understand that everyone has a different style of play not everyone you play against will play only premium hands. I think you have to adapt to people's style of play, I did that with Slacker and a couple of others that have played in these Strat tournies. IDK, it just seems that because people play a different way than tight then they are donks. I know I still have much to learn, but changing my style of play may not be one of them, I'm laggy as hell, preflop and postflop. I think playing has to do with being able to make the correct decisions not only preflop, but especially postflop, trying to put your opponent on a range of hands. Adapting to different styles to become a better player.Well, that's just my opinion. I still look foward to playing in any future Strat Tournies.Edited: Just wanted to say that this doesn't have to do with Yahkin's reference in the first post. It's actually just stuff I'd been hearing in the past couple Strat Tournies.

[StupidKid 0]

Sorry to have pissed you off Yahkin. My style of play is very laggy early on if people want to call it donkish, so be it, I look to build my chip stack early and then play tight aggro when I do build it up. That's just my style. It's a style I'm comfortable with, I do get played back often, but that's what my style has to deal with at times...playing after the flop. Sometimes I don't think some people in strat understand that everyone has a different style of play not everyone you play against will play only premium hands. I think you have to adapt to people's style of play, I did that with Slacker and a couple of others that have played in these Strat tournies. IDK, it just seems that because people play a different way than tight then they are donks. I know I still have much to learn, but changing my style of play may not be one of them, I'm laggy as hell, preflop and postflop. I think playing has to do with being able to make the correct decisions not only preflop, but especially postflop, trying to put your opponent on a range of hands. Adapting to different styles to become a better player.Well, that's just my opinion. I still look foward to playing in any future Strat Tournies.Edited: Just wanted to say that this doesn't have to do with Yahkin's reference in the first post. It's actually just stuff I'd been hearing in the past couple Strat Tournies.

If this is in reference to some comments I have made then none of them are meant to infer you are a bad player, merely constructive criticism. In reference to the last hand I don't think good LAGs would have called the flop bet without at least very good implied odds due to the largely incorrect pot odds.

[Gallo 1]

This would be a primary reason why I'd fold, If villain had a huuuuuge stack and you know you get all his chips if you hit i'd be willing to call the 300, but Yahkin was shortstacked. The risk far outweighed the reward in this situation.

I beg to differ. Even after I call his 300 on flop I still have about 1500 left which is what we start with, so even if I miss on turn and fold I don't seeing it as taking a big risk and it is still early on in the tourney that I'm not crippled to where I have to start pushing or forcing hands I can still play my style. Eventually I took a big hit later when I tried to push Slacker off his QQ and called with AK and missed. And I think that had I not gambled early on and built up a stack then I would've been out of the tourney by about this hand. I gamble it up early to get a stack so that way later on if I lose a race or take a bad beat or something I can still play without really having to shove all in in the next round or so.Sometimes I think there is more than just pot odds.

[Yahkin 0]

No Offense, but calling off 1/10 of your stack PF with T7s OOP is simply spewing. You are a 2-1 dog to absolutely anything that people would reraise you with...That's assuming top 20% which is VERY loose. (Your exactly 50/50 against a random hand.)Calling the flop bet is mathmatically horrible, but I can see taking that gamble. (As the holder of QQ...I want you to make that mistake.)Honestly though, it seems to me that you are trying to justify a couple poor decisions because you got lucky. 80% of the time in that situation I chip up.Water under the bridge. gg.