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[Pot Odds RAC]

Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:46:00Protect Your Hand When Gavin's AroundIn early postion Gavin Smith moved all-in and Jon Friedberg started thinking about calling. Friedberg has been deliberate in his decision-making, and he took his time separating out the amount he'd have left if he just called. It was a measly stack of around 10K, which Friedberg joked were his "bluffing chips." Before he had made any move, Smith reached over for Friedberg's cards to have a look for himself. Some minor commotion was raised, with Smith saying "You should protect your cards if you don't want anyone looking at them." Friedberg eventually mucked....guess I really should have put this post in the Sticky for this event.

[HubDub04]

Well if the action is to Friedberg all in, then its not that bad. Bad etiquette yes, but illegal, i'm not sure.

[silkyjonson]

Pot Odds RAC, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 9:52 AM, said:

Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:46:00Protect Your Hand When Gavin's AroundIn early postion Gavin Smith moved all-in and Jon Friedberg started thinking about calling. Friedberg has been deliberate in his decision-making, and he took his time separating out the amount he'd have left if he just called. It was a measly stack of around 10K, which Friedberg joked were his "bluffing chips." Before he had made any move, Smith reached over for Friedberg's cards to have a look for himself. Some minor commotion was raised, with Smith saying "You should protect your cards if you don't want anyone looking at them." Friedberg eventually mucked....guess I really should have put this post in the Sticky for this event.

ummmm not really a big deal. Gavin is actually giving Friedberg an advantage, he can see Gavin's reaction to his hand.

[rog]

Reached over and looked at his opponent's live hand? You can't tell me that's not illegal. Okay, you can, but I might not believe you. If this hand gets folded, Gavin has no right to know what cards he was playing.

[Pot Odds RAC]

silkyjonson, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 9:01 AM, said:

ummmm not really a big deal. Gavin is actually giving Friedberg an advantage, he can see Gavin's reaction to his hand.

It is a big deal. It would NOT be legal in tournament play for Friedberg to show his hand. And Friedberg has the right to muck without showing his hand.

[David_Nicoson]

Pot Odds RAC, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 12:52 PM, said:

Before he had made any move, Smith reached over for Friedberg's cards to have a look for himself. Some minor commotion was raised, with Smith saying "You should protect your cards if you don't want anyone looking at them."

That's crap. He should get a penalty.

[milbucksfans]

How anyone can trivialize a blatantly illegal move like this is beyond me. When's the last time you let someone handle your cards at the table without asking you?

[silkyjonson]

Pot Odds RAC, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 10:06 AM, said:

It is a big deal. It would NOT be legal in tournament play for Friedberg to show his hand. And Friedberg has the right to muck without showing his hand.

Just saying I don't know if I would go making threads about it. But clearly this is a very important subject for you so by all means lets call up the WSOP and get this dealt with.

[ghostlove]

gavin is the man.

[Pot Odds RAC]

silkyjonson, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 9:23 AM, said:

Just saying I don't know if I would go making threads about it. But clearly this is a very important subject for you so by all means lets call up the WSOP and get this dealt with.

I'll try and remember to check with you next time before I start a new thread to ensure it meets your standards.

[digitalmonkey]

Isn't any player at the table permitted to see mucked cards at the end of a hand if they wish?I thought I heard that somewhere. Maybe it was a dream.

[fatman]

ghostlove, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 1:24 PM, said:

gavin is the man.

[silkyjonson]

digitalmonkey, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 10:45 AM, said:

Isn't any player at the table permitted to see mucked cards at the end of a hand if they wish?I thought I heard that somewhere. Maybe it was a dream.

nah he did'nt call so no one has a right, the OP is right no one should ever touch your cards. that being said GS is probably drunk and messing around.

[BeaverStyle]

so, wait, opponent was thinking about calling, and gavin smith reached over, and looked at his cards?Explain to me how that's not illegal.

[TheCinciKid]

digitalmonkey, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 1:45 PM, said:

Isn't any player at the table permitted to see mucked cards at the end of a hand if they wish?I thought I heard that somewhere. Maybe it was a dream.

Yes and no, if you call a bet on the end with the losing hand and muck, it's legal for anyone who wants to to ask to see those cards. It's considered very bad etiquette and very rarely done, but it is legal. I think the situation the OP is referring to is a little different b/c Friedberg could still fold, in which case it would not be legal for anyone to look at his hand unless he shows it.

[FoxwoodsPro]

ghostlove, on Tuesday, June 5th, 2007, 9:24 AM, said:

gavin is the man.

[dbrent2]

Gavin was wrong. Doing something like this in a charity tournament is fine with me, but not when there is big money on the line...

[Billy]

Maybe he was just joking around and wasn't actually going to look at them...

[Moneyball16]

Im sure there was a misunderstanding. Gavin wouldnt seriously do this. He knows it would be wrong.

[socalpoker_j]

Where's Phil Gordon at to assess the 30 min. penalty?