I Completely Butchered An Awesome Razz Hand

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What could I have done differently here? The prob. here was that this sucker was going to showdown, there was no reason inflating the pot until I had the hand completed, anyone agree?HORSE - Razz ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)3rd Street - (0.80 SB)Seat 1: xx xx T ___foldsSeat 2: xx xx A ___callsSeat 3: xx xx K ___brings-inSeat 4: xx xx 2 ___foldsSeat 5: xx xx 6 ___foldsSeat 6: xx xx J ___foldsHero: 5 3 A ___callsSeat 8: xx xx 5 ___calls4th Street - (2.80 SB)Seat 2: xx xx A 5 ___calls___callsSeat 3: xx xx K 4 ___foldsHero: 5 3 A 2 ___checks___raisesSeat 8: xx xx 5 4 ___bets___calls5th Street - (4.40 BB)Seat 2: xx xx A 5 7 ___checksHero: 5 3 A 2 3 ___checksSeat 8: xx xx 5 4 6 ___checks6th Street - (4.40 BB)Seat 2: xx xx A 5 7 9 ___checksHero: 5 3 A 2 3 K ___checksSeat 8: xx xx 5 4 6 T ___checksRiver - (4.40 BB)Seat 2: xx xx A 5 7 9 xx___checksHero: 5 3 A 2 3 K Q ___checksSeat 8: xx xx 5 4 6 T xx___checksTotal pot: (4.40 BB)

[timwakefield 69]

I don't understand why you didn't raise on 3rd street. I also don't understand the check raise on 4th.

[Moneyball16 0]

I don't understand why you didn't raise on 3rd street. I also don't understand the check raise on 4th.

I dont get it either. Are you slowplaying on 3rd???? Or just being super passive? I dont get it. Our hand isnt good enough that we want the bringin or some guy with a Q74 coming in for cheap behind us. In most situations in Razz it is best to just play straightforward.Are you new to Razz or did you just try to mix things up this hand?

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yeah I trying to mix it up. I was thinking about how I played the hand alot and somehow I realized the way I played it, I set the hand up where I can either lose a small one by just scaring the **** out of them, or winning a big one where I'm sure they would call me down anyway.

[checkymcfold 0]

you HAVE to raise third. slowplaying in razz is an absolute, across the board nono unless you're sure you have a lock and can get in extra bets against someone you're sure will bet for you if they get there.

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Yes, complete 3rd. It's only a half raise, so you're not scaring off decent hands, but are starting to build a pot with your monster.4th - nice that the check raise worked, not sure it's the best play. Actually I think leading out is best, with check-calling (hoping to check raise when the bets double) being better than C/R (but this is still way worse than leading out). Checking risks giving a free card - look what happened on 5th and 6th...5th - the check here is terrible. Your pair is hidden, your board is VERY scary, and you showed aggression with the check raise on 4th. If you've got a 4/5 or a 5/6 in the hole, your opponents are virtually drawing dead so they may release now. Betting here probably gives (I think) equal chances (1)both call, (2)both fold, or (3)only 1 calls. None are bad results, but any chance to narrow the field is good. I don't know the exact odds here (we could tell from their hole cards) but in general remember that being a 60/40 favourite against two players individually means you are a 36/64 underdog against them both. You MUST get rid of at least one of them.6th - if you had bet 5th, and bet again here you win. After a checked 5th, a bet here still may accomplish what I described above, but now it looks suspicious (why check a great card on 5th and bet 6th with a K) and your opponents may think "I only have to call one bet to see the river" whereas a bet on 5th warns them they have to pay double to go to showdown.

[HangukMiguk 8]

YOU MUST COMPLETE THIRD.YOU MUST TAKE A BET/RAISE LINE FOURTH.YOU MUST BET FIFTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If they're calling on 6th, check/fold is good on 7th.You're right, you did butcher this hand.