3/6 Hold'em, Big Flop Draw

[Frez 0]

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Preflop: Hero is Button with K , 5 . UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (6 SB) 3 , 6 , 4 (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.Turn: (7 BB) 9 (4 players)UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 folds, CO calls.River: (13 BB) J (3 players)UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, CO folds.Final Pot: 15 BBNot a hand I would normally play, but with several limpers I'll take a flop in position.Huge flop draw. I'm specifically wondering if anyone 3 bets it on the button, or are we happy to cold call.Once no one re-raised me on the turn I was sure my flush was good unless another diamond came off. I think flat calling here would be weak and leave us wondering on the river. yes? no?I'll take any and all feedback, but I specifically wonder about the flop play.

[Zach6668 513]

Your relative position in this hand sucks. You're kinda handcuffed here postflop.I think you played it pretty perfectly though.NH.

[Actuary 3]

I think you played it pretty perfectly though.

I disagree.Preflop is light.Flop is a 3 bet.SB and BB, if they would call/raise 2 bets, they'll call 3.You have huge equity, obv, and have players interested.You can also take a "free" card sometimes.Turn is good

[Moneyball16 0]

Preflop is 100% standard. With some of the cheese you limp with in ep Im surprised you dont like the limp preflop Actuary. I prefer a flop 3-bet as well.

[Actuary 3]

Preflop is 100% standard. With some of the cheese you limp with in ep Im surprised you dont like the limp preflop Actuary. I prefer a flop 3-bet as well.

Standard?lolEdit:ok...dug out SSHE. Apparently it is Standard in loose games. I tend to play it, obv. ok.. "light" means marginal, so, not like I was saying baaaaadd.I tend to not focus too much on preflop.

[Actuary 3]

With some of the cheese you limp with in ep Im surprised you dont like the limp preflop Actuary

I'm really good, though(I'm like 16% VPIP from EP, so not crazy)

[Zach6668 513]

I disagree.Preflop is light.Flop is a 3 bet.SB and BB, if they would call/raise 2 bets, they'll call 3.You have huge equity, obv, and have players interested.You can also take a "free" card sometimes.Turn is good

I dunno if flop is necessarily a 3-bet.I realize we're huge here, but 3-betting could fold UTG and MP, who are just in for 1 bet.

[Actuary 3]

I dunno if flop is necessarily a 3-bet.I realize we're huge here, but 3-betting could fold UTG and MP, who are just in for 1 bet.

they are calling almost always, anyway, with 15 outs alot, who cares,...we on average have plenty of equitymaybe a re-draw folds too, like Ad

[Zach6668 513]

they are calling almost always, anyway, with 15 outs alot, who cares,...we on average have plenty of equitymaybe a re-draw folds too, like Ad

Yeah, meh. I'm not sold on either one.

[Actuary 3]

Yeah, meh. I'm not sold on either one.

you realize they both UTG and MP have to fold and SB and BB for this to even be close, right?this is not as close as limping AT that's for sure

[Zach6668 513]

you realize they both UTG and MP have to fold and SB and BB for this to even be close, right?this is not as close as limping AT that's for sure

Depends how their propensity to pay off if you hit. I'd kinda like to keep 3 or 4 opponents if I can and pick up some bets when I hit.I realize we have enough equity to be HU here, but I don't necessarily think it's going to be maximizing our value.I have no math to back this up.

[Actuary 3]

I have no math to back this up.

well then don't ever raise draws, right?you raise before you hit because they are more likely to pay you before the board is scary

[Zach6668 513]

well then don't ever raise draws, right?you raise before you hit because they are more likely to pay you before the board is scary

Yeah, but not when facing 4 of my customers with 2 or 3 cold.

[Actuary 3]

Yeah, but not when facing 4 of my customers with 2 or 3 cold.

Say it's 3 handed and you flop a nfd from Button.UTG leads, CO calls, You raise right?Maybe UTG will fold, but on ave, you have equity and free card possibleHere, on Ave, you have equity - more so

[Zach6668 513]

Say it's 3 handed and you flop a nfd from Button.UTG leads, CO calls, You raise right?Maybe UTG will fold, but on ave, you have equity and free card possibleHere, on Ave, you have equity - more so

Yeah... depends... lolCan you do some EV calculations of each of the scenarios?If you have time/desire. Not a big deal, but I don't think it's as far apart as you think.

[Actuary 3]

Yeah... depends... lolCan you do some EV calculations of each of the scenarios?

no.too many variables.Lots of new players say to wait until we hit to keep the table on the hook on the big bets, so maybe they have a point.You'd 3 bet a set on this flop right?(not that that relates to this, so..i'm tired)(ps..you can opine on two of my new hands, js)

[Zach6668 513]

no.too many variables.Lots of new players say to wait until we hit to keep the table on the hook on the big bets, so maybe they have a point.You'd 3 bet a set on this flop right?(not that that relates to this, so..i'm tired)(ps..you can opine on two of my new hands, js)

Yeah, I'd 3-bet a set, but it's because I want to fold some hands for protection, or charge them the max, it's a bit different here, but I get your point about consistency, as that's something I stress all the time.I'm not sure what you mean about me only being able to opine on 2 of your new hands...?

[Frez 0]

ok...dug out SSHE. Apparently it is Standard in loose games. I tend to play it, obv. ok.. "light" means marginal, so, not like I was saying baaaaadd.

As I said, not a hand I normally play except there's a bunch of limping in front of me.

Your relative position in this hand sucks.

Not sure what you mean Zach. I would not play this hand early, or even middle. But I'm on the button - how can that suck?

[Zach6668 513]

As I said, not a hand I normally play except there's a bunch of limping in front of me.Not sure what you mean Zach. I would not play this hand early, or even middle. But I'm on the button - how can that suck?

Relative position is different from absolute position, and mostly refers to playability postflop.Like, we're in a tough spot with respect to being able to control how many people are in this pot, how many bets they each put in, etc, since the guy on our direct right just raised.Think of what is meant by "relative". If you need more of an explanation, I'll be back, or Actuary can do it, lol.