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[nikobell4711]

Hi everybody,here is a hand I played some days ago on Poker Stars. I’m very interested in what your opinions are on how I played the hand and how you would.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($6.52)Button ($25.90)SB ($27.16)BB ($27.85)UTG ($26.26)UTG+1 ($10.92)MP1 ($27.20)Hero (MP2) ($25)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6 , 6 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checksFlop: ($1) 6 , 10 , 5 (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.25, 1 foldTurn: ($1.75) 9 (3 players)SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $0.75, SB raises to $2.75, Hero foldsI had no reads or history so far. HM stats (VPIP/PFR/AGF/Hands) where:SB: 15/9/3.0/109Button: 11/6/0.8/100I have two questions for you:1. Should I bet more on the flop with my set to get value from the straight and flush draws? With three opponents I felt not so comfortable to play a big pot.2. Was the fold on turn mathematically correct? The pot gave me 1.9 to 1 as it was my turn. But I needed 3.6 to 1 for my 10 outs (full house or quads) vs. possible flush or straight. With the check-raise from the SB I put him on a flush. Should I calculate the implied Odds here to make a call profitable? How is the math for that?

[droberts]

dont limp in.. raise preflop.on the flop if i limped in im betting minimum of .75.. but im always betting full pot.. also i wouldnt fold the turn.. they could be raising with 2 pair.. atleast call and decide on river..im curious as to why in the world u dont want to play a big pot with 3 people on the flop with the second nuts.. i mean do u think one of them have pocket Tens.. i would say thats almost never

[droberts]

also why did u only bet minimum with a set on such a super drawy board? thats like suicide

[fighter]

nikobell4711, on 11 June 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

Hi everybody,here is a hand I played some days ago on Poker Stars. I’m very interested in what your opinions are on how I played the hand and how you would.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($6.52)Button ($25.90)SB ($27.16)BB ($27.85)UTG ($26.26)UTG+1 ($10.92)MP1 ($27.20)Hero (MP2) ($25)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6 , 6 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checksFlop: ($1) 6 , 10 , 5 (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB calls $0.25, 1 foldTurn: ($1.75) 9 (3 players)SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $0.75, SB raises to $2.75, Hero foldsI had no reads or history so far. HM stats (VPIP/PFR/AGF/Hands) where:SB: 15/9/3.0/109Button: 11/6/0.8/100I have two questions for you:1. Should I bet more on the flop with my set to get value from the straight and flush draws? With three opponents I felt not so comfortable to play a big pot.2. Was the fold on turn mathematically correct? The pot gave me 1.9 to 1 as it was my turn. But I needed 3.6 to 1 for my 10 outs (full house or quads) vs. possible flush or straight. With the check-raise from the SB I put him on a flush. Should I calculate the implied Odds here to make a call profitable? How is the math for that?

limping preflop can be fine, however I don't recommend it for beginners as it puts them in the wrong frame of mind on how to approach the game.1. If you are not comfortable getting all the money in with a set on the flop, I don't think No limit holdem is for you.I'm not trying to be a douche but there is litterally only one hand that beats you. If you are not comfortable placing all your money into the middle with the 2nd nuts when you are only 100bb deep, then you should move down in stakes or try a different poker variant.As it stands flop bet needs to be at least 75c. However I would be more incline to just bet the whole pot.2. On the surface it looks like a good fold, however it is hard to know where you stand in the hand since you only bet the minimum into a limped pot on the flop and then checked. The person behind you bet less then half pot after only calling a min bet on the flop. SB i might just be making a move on the pot. Which would be a good play on his part because it seems very obvious that neither you or the button are interested in the pot.I don't think trying to work out if you have the odds to call here for a set is a good idea because you don't close the betting on the turn. Calling and then having the button raise will happen often enough that you will probably never see enough rivers to justify trying to spike a set and get paid. Also since you played the hand so passively on every street, if you hit a full house on the river I doubt anyone will give you much action if they have a flush.

[KingJames]

Good post, fighter.Nikobell, I'd recommend reading this as a really great intro to micro nl cash games.http://www.gamblingsystem.biz/books/2p2NL6max.pdf

[answer20]

There are so many ways to look at this hand ... at this level you can really do no wrong to 'test' how hands like these play out so you can learn from them for use at a higher level.PreFlop: Nothing wrong with a limp here, but also nothing wrong with a min or slightly bigger raise since you are the first one to take action. 66s might be a touch too small for this since you are really only looking for a set here ... so a limp will help build a pot and chase those 'implied' odds when you do hit your sets.Flop: $.25 is just asking for trouble and certainly doesn't get you any 'good' information from anyone behind whether they call or raise you AND every draw is priced into just caling. 2x or 3x will let the others know you are here to stay in the hand ... so you should take any raises here a little more seriously. Calls will indicate 10xs, draws and maybe even some overcards. Raises will indicate stronger draws, 2 pair, 10s with high kickers and maybe pair combo hands. It is very unlikely you are behind right here except maybe to the button ... the blinds would (should) have raised you pre-Flop since they were OOP and to try to take the pot right there. Your really dont want to see any 4,7,8,9 or heart on the Turn. A 4x or 5x sized bet will only attract the best draws and 2 pair but would be a nice way to take the pot right now if you don't want to deal with multiple opponents. A small win is much better than a large loss ... or a 'fearful' laydown to scare card on the Turn.Turn: Since you have played the hand passively, a check here is fine to continue the 'trap' and now you face a decision. You are good to consider the SB with 2 pair, straight or small flush or maybe a large 10 with a high flush kicker. You also can give SB credit that he knows your stacks are the same size if things escalate here with you or the Button so the re-raise should not be taken lightly. i would not put the SB on a high flush since that hand 'wants' other hands to hit the River for some value.You really don't want to consider another raise here and with the BB to act behnd you could see one anyway ... I don't really mind calling or folding. Although the card was a heart, it also was a gut-shot card if someone hit a straight ... but you really dont mind someone having 2 pair here and is scared of the four-flush hitting. Just remember that if you smooth call here it will send up large smoke signals that you have a 'made' hand and you might not get any value from any River bet ... plus the only 'great' card for you is a 5 if you are going against 2-pair opponents if you want to bet a full house.Go ahead and call sometimes to see what happens and experience being in the hand. I wouldn't really call any River bet of over $10 if the Button does smooth call. You are a bit of a monkey in the middle here ... good luck.

[mtdesmoines]

Never bet 1/4 pot on flop with bottom set and two people in. It's suicidal. .85 is a better bet here. I hate the argument that our fold on the turn is mathematically correct when we don't know what the villains hold. If they have a flush, then yes. If they have AhTx, then, no. And AhTx will call .25 on the flop a LOT, especially when they can turn for 1/8th of the pot.

[SuperJon]

Of course AhTx will .25 on the flop, as would a ton of other hands. But how many of those hands will c/r the turn? Raising AhTx on the turn would be pretty stupid imo.

[Gobler_Poker]

Raise preflop, don't limp

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Gobler_Poker, on 19 November 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

Raise preflop, don't limp

Gobler_Poker, on 19 November 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

Raise preflop, don't limp

100% agree!