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[outsider13]

I'll try it. I'll let you know the results. So 100% vpip or just 100% in unraised pots or just no raising and only limp?

[lurbz]

Shark527, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 4:31 PM, said:

I do this all the time, but I don't really make it to the 200/400 level though.Maybe you could try a few experiments with a few micro MTT

**** that run that strat in super tuesday

[donk4life]

Do you ever notice why the players that limp a lot and are extremely exploitable preflop are the players who generally lose money? I mean do you really expect people to take this post seriously? It's asinine to think that limping all "your hands you normally raise with" is actually going to work. What if you are trying to steal? Do you limp then? And if someone raises you preflop do you just dump your limped stealing hand? Yeah, that's going to maximize profit.

[Tehtoe]

this is incredibly retarded.

[nutzzcase]

don't listen to these haters i won a freeroll once with your strategy

[lurbz]

nutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 5:23 PM, said:

don't listen to these haters i won a freeroll once with your strategy

cause you're absolutely ****ing brilliant too right?

[donk4life]

nutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 8:23 PM, said:

don't listen to these haters i won a freeroll once with your strategy

[nutzzcase]

lurbz, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 6:24 PM, said:

cause you're absolutely ****ing brilliant too right?

lurbz, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 3:44 PM, said:

buy a new one

[HighwayStar]

It would be interesting to try limp/raising a largish range. It would be so tough to make work though.

[Brian Aka Brian]

donk4life, on Tuesday, March 30th, 2010, 8:43 PM, said:

Do you ever notice why the players that limp a lot and are extremely exploitable preflop are the players who generally lose money? I mean do you really expect people to take this post seriously? It's asinine to think that limping all "your hands you normally raise with" is actually going to work. What if you are trying to steal? Do you limp then? And if someone raises you preflop do you just dump your limped stealing hand? Yeah, that's going to maximize profit.

You say limping alot I'm not saying limp alot of hands I'm saying limp hands I would play (anypairs, Ak-A8s, all connectors givin your in position)haha really???? Why would you think limping 100% of my playable hand range pre until the 200/400level would involve stealing? I'm not looking to pick up the small and big blind early in the tourney it doesn't increase my stack enough.Depending on the raise and your hand strength determines if you should call or let it go.

[fighter]

I think limping could be a very profitable strategy. You 2+2 cardrunners robots can't even open your eyes to the possibilities. It is like extreme small ball. Since Small ball is the closest anyone has come to solving the game, It only makes sense to take it to the next level and solve the game. Limping is the key. Kepp your head up OP.

[Biff Goods]

I'm confused. Say you have 5 limpers and you get dealt KK in CO. You limp in behind them? Then say button makes it 5x to go and three of the limpers call....do you just call using your strategy?edit: before answering my questions you may want to take a look at my signature. I feel it is completely relevant to this thread.

[Brian Aka Brian]

Biff Goods, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 4:04 PM, said:

I'm confused. Say you have 5 limpers and you get dealt KK in CO. You limp in behind them? Then say button makes it 5x to go and three of the limpers call....do you just call using your strategy?edit: before answering my questions you may want to take a look at my signature. I feel it is completely relevant to this thread.

What are the blinds and how deep are you playing? If you limp the K's then the button 5x's it with 3 callers its kinda obv there not going to fold to a shove (again depending how stacks and blinds are ) from you so wouldn't you rather play a flop maybe you'd flop bad and would be able to get away maybe you'd flop great who knows. (the situation you bring up needs some more info to have a logical reply) I wouldn't be looking to run my K's against 4 other players allin pre unless I'm short and blinds are big.

[lurbz]

ilMaKeUfAmOuS, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 12:35 PM, said:

I wouldn't be looking to run my K's against 4 other players allin pre unless I'm short and blinds are big.

you are terrible at poker

[spydur86]

ilMaKeUfAmOuS, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 12:35 PM, said:

What are the blinds and how deep are you playing? If you limp the K's then the button 5x's it with 3 callers its kinda obv there not going to fold to a shove (again depending how stacks and blinds are ) from you so wouldn't you rather play a flop maybe you'd flop bad and would be able to get away maybe you'd flop great who knows. (the situation you bring up needs some more info to have a logical reply) I wouldn't be looking to run my K's against 4 other players allin pre unless I'm short and blinds are big.

I think the biggest problem with that is you'd never know what's a "great" flop for you the 7 out of 8 times that you miss your set. With 4 other people in the pot you're going to see a lot of ragged two pairs, sets, sometimes even straights and the like. You're never really going to know where you stand against 4 other hands especially when people are calling the preflop raise "had odds". You can't expect everyone you play against to only have good cards when there's a raise preflop. Wouldn't you rather get your money in 99% of the time as a favorite to the other 4 hands, as opposed to letting one of them hit a miracle flop when they really shouldn't even be in the hand? Not to mention you're going to be behind a huge amount of the time anytime an Ace falls whereas if you're heads up you can test the waters a bit more. I just don't see how this strategy is going to work if you're relying on hitting miracle flops against multiple opponents all the time.I guess my main point is I feel like you're going to be folding a lot of premium hands on flops that don't suit you well when you know there's 5 people in the hand. The KK hand, for example, you play heads up or even against 2 opponents, flop comes clean and you're going to be a lot more willing to put your money in. But what do you do in a situation where the flop comes clean against 4 other people and there's a bet and a raise in front of you? Do you still feel as good about your hand?

[Brian Aka Brian]

lurbz, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 6:56 PM, said:

you are terrible at poker

Ok so? I think you like to suck co.ck who cares

spydur86, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 6:58 PM, said:

I guess my main point is I feel like you're going to be folding a lot of premium hands on flops that don't suit you well when you know there's 5 people in the hand. The KK hand, for example, you play heads up or even against 2 opponents, flop comes clean and you're going to be a lot more willing to put your money in. But what do you do in a situation where the flop comes clean against 4 other people and there's a bet and a raise in front of you? Do you still feel as good about your hand?

This is until the 200/400 50ante I think alot of people are missing that (I'll change it and say Until the 150-300 25 level)Yes I'm against risking alot to win a small pot with no antes and being as deepstacked as you are early in the Mtts I would much rather make my decisions on the flop. I have yet to hear a good argument why its a good thing to risking more chips preflop in the following levels10-20 15min levels 15-30 25-50 50-100 75-150 100-200 125-250 25150-300 25

[SuperJon]

ilMaKeUfAmOuS, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 8:08 PM, said:

Ok so? I think you like to suck co.ck who caresThis is until the 200/400 50ante I think alot of people are missing that (I'll change it and say Until the 150-300 25 level)Yes I'm against risking alot to win a small pot with no antes and being as deepstacked as you are early in the Mtts I would much rather make my decisions on the flop. I have yet to hear a good argument why its a good thing to risking more chips preflop in the following levels10-20 15min levels 15-30 25-50 50-100 75-150 100-200 125-250 25150-300 25

Play 500 or more tournaments using your strategy of never raising preflop until 200-400.Have a stack of 30 or more BBs by the time you reach the 200-400 level in at least 25% of the tournaments you play.If you can do that, I will personally suck your balls.

[Brian Aka Brian]

SuperJon, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 8:18 PM, said:

If you can do that, I will personally suck your balls.

be careful lurbz will take you up on that

[spydur86]

I just don't see why you wouldn't want to maximize value on your premium hands even at the lower levels? Isn't the point of huge hands in early levels to try to stack someone or at least win a big pot? I guess you could try to make a case for limping all suited connectors and pairs under QQ but I still feel like it's super -EV to be limp/calling huge hands preflop. If someone's willing to get it in preflop when you're an 80%ish favorite to win, why wouldn't you want that? If you run into AA or KK you suck it up to a cooler and start a new tourney. Same with if they suck out on you but the last thing you want to do is to give them a cheap way to hit a better flop than you and then in turn get your money in bad. Seems like you're just setting yourself up to let people outflop you. It's not really a suckout when you're letting them see the flop for as cheap as a limp, you're just asking to get your money in bad. Think about it this way, when you have a hand like KK or AA, you're probably only going to be able to get them all in on the flop if they have you beat (when you don't flop a set, that is). I guess you'll have the guys that call off with TPTK but in most situations it seems they're showing up with 2 pair or better if they're calling off. It'd be extremely uncomfortable for me to play poker in a way that I can't even begin to try to define a players hand until there's action on the flop. I just don't see it being profitable in the least. The main point is to maximize value on any hand you play, and you're giving up roughly 7 levels of doing that. Blegh, personally I hate it and could never fathom how it would come out to be a better option than just playing TAG through those levels.

[Brian Aka Brian]

SuperJon, on Wednesday, March 31st, 2010, 8:18 PM, said:

Play 500 or more tournaments using your strategy of never raising preflop until 200-400.Have a stack of 30 or more BBs by the time you reach the 200-400 level in at least 25% of the tournaments you play.

You really think its that hard to build a 12k stake limping pre?