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[Brian Aka Brian]

Pokerstars calculator says if you are playing 12tables( high as it goes) at 42 hours a week you would hit 10403VPP's. So if i 24table for 21hours perweek would i still reach the same VPP's?

[KoRnholio]

Probably. But good luck not burning yourself out within a month... or even a week.

[Sick Boy]

You would die,

[rrumsey]

thats like 6,000 hands a day. it is very hard to do. just move up level or something, but don;t do this i promise you that you will burn out and lose money

[Lucoo_]

Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAH

[kreppsen]

Lucoo_, on Friday, December 11th, 2009, 5:38 PM, said:

Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAH

Your almost Supernova Lucoo?

[Frez]

Lucoo_, on Friday, December 11th, 2009, 9:38 AM, said:

Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAH

OP asked about limit. Obv different pot sizes and therefor diff VPPs.For goodness sake ilMakeU, just play good poker at the level you're at. Climb up with proper bankroll management and the VPPs will roll it at higher levels.

[Lucoo_]

kreppsen, on Friday, December 11th, 2009, 12:26 PM, said:

Your almost Supernova Lucoo?

Im at 92K VPPs right now gonna make it in the last few days i think.

Frez, on Friday, December 11th, 2009, 5:08 PM, said:

OP asked about limit. Obv different pot sizes and therefor diff VPPs.For goodness sake ilMakeU, just play good poker at the level you're at. Climb up with proper bankroll management and the VPPs will roll it at higher levels.

I thought he meant like "at the .25-.50 limit". Anyhow if its limit holdem i indeed think its a pretty tough grind.

[HighwayStar]

DON'T DO THIS:You CANNOT beat limit if you 24 table, it's not as simple as NLHE, you're making so many more decisions per hand. I know of noone who wins who plays more than 15 tables, plenty try. Supernova simply isn't worth it, supernova elite..maybe.edit - I may be wrong about noone beating the game who plays that many tables, I know of noone who plays higher than 1/2 who plays that many tables and winsSupernova is very much doable at 1/2, I believe .5/1 is a large drop in the VPP rate and .25/.5 has to be even worse. If you move up to 1/2+ you'll get way more VPP/hand (I cna't remember but I think it/s 0.38 @ 1/2) and 200k+ is doable if you really wanna grind.I'd just concentrate on moving up, it'll be better for so many reasons (more $, more rakeback, you get better at poker).I started this year at 1/2 with no intention of making it much past Supernova. I've moved up to 5/10 - 10/20 and a little 15/30 now and I'm almost at 400k VPPs (376k atm). Next year I might shoot for 600k though I might take a year "off" from playing regularly. Not sure yet.

[HighwayStar]

Lucoo_, on Friday, December 11th, 2009, 4:38 PM, said:

Im at about to reach it having played 80-90% of my hands at NL25 and only about 10-20% at NL 50. So uh YEAH

Sick. You must have played a ton.It's like .11 VPP/hand at 10c/25c? That's not far off of a million hands. (about 750k with the 50NL too?)I wish could play that many hands, i'd make elite next year :/.

[Lucoo_]

HighwayStar, on Saturday, December 12th, 2009, 6:07 AM, said:

Sick. You must have played a ton.It's like .11 VPP/hand at 10c/25c? That's not far off of a million hands. (about 750k with the 50NL too?)I wish could play that many hands, i'd make elite next year :/.

Yeah since oct 1st ive played 260K according to PTR, and they even miss some hands. So i guess it's just over 1MM

[Tugglife2]

I just recently started 12 tabling 50NL on a regular basis and usually earn ~120 VPPs an hour or more depending on when I'm playing. Supernova seems like it could be pretty achievable for me next year should I stick with it and provided i'm break even or better. I'm really not sure how the VPP rate is in .25/.50 limit but it's obviously lower.

[Tugglife2]

HighwayStar, on Saturday, December 12th, 2009, 9:07 AM, said:

Sick. You must have played a ton.It's like .11 VPP/hand at 10c/25c? That's not far off of a million hands. (about 750k with the 50NL too?)I wish could play that many hands, i'd make elite next year :/.

Why can't you? Time constraints? I'd attempt to make a run at it if I were you.

[Darth Maple]

OPAs already mentioned, concentrate on your own individual poker game and don't get too caught up in the VIP programme.

[HighwayStar]

Tugglife2, on Sunday, December 13th, 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

Why can't you? Time constraints? I'd attempt to make a run at it if I were you.

I'm a lazy git when it comes to grinding multiple tables for several hours. I'm working on getting better at it. It works out to something like 45 hours a week 4 tabling 10/20 -15/30 48 weeks a year. If I play pro in 2011 and the system is still in place I will definitely consider it. I won't be playing pro next year.Most people who go for SNE playing LHE tend to break even or lose. I would not consider playing that volume without knowing I was a decent winning player, I need a few more months of decent results to prove I am at those limits.

[Brian Aka Brian]

HighwayStar, on Saturday, December 12th, 2009, 9:04 AM, said:

DON'T DO THIS:Supernova is very much doable at 1/2, I believe .5/1 is a large drop in the VPP rate and .25/.5 has to be even worse. If you move up to 1/2+ you'll get way more VPP/hand (I cna't remember but I think it/s 0.38 @ 1/2) and 200k+ is doable if you really wanna grind.I'd just concentrate on moving up, it'll be better for so many reasons (more $, more rakeback, you get better at poker).I started this year at 1/2 with no intention of making it much past Supernova. I've moved up to 5/10 - 10/20 and a little 15/30 now and I'm almost at 400k VPPs (376k atm). Next year I might shoot for 600k though I might take a year "off" from playing regularly. Not sure yet.

I will not be trying to make supernova at .25/.50 limit i agree it would be a insane amount of time/focus at this level, I should have asked if its realistic not if it is possible, I will be trying to take a run at the 1/2 limit hold'em most likely 3to4 tabling im thinking 6max (not sure yet).Goodluck at hitting 600k.

Darth Maple, on Sunday, December 13th, 2009, 6:10 AM, said:

OPAs already mentioned, concentrate on your own individual poker game and don't get too caught up in the VIP programme.

As long as im not blowing my roll trying to achieve it can only be a good thing to improve my VIP as mainly a Mtt player i barely hit sliver.

[mrdannyg]

Hypothetically, if someone played $0.25/0.50 limit enough to make Supernova - what would the benefits be? I'm out of the online loop, but how much are the points worth? Free tourney entries? My understanding was a lot of the benefits of being at that level is higher multiples of FPPs - which would mean just making the level doesn't have a lot of benefit...you'd need to be playing at that level.

[Brian Aka Brian]

mrdannyg, on Monday, December 14th, 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Hypothetically, if someone played $0.25/0.50 limit enough to make Supernova - what would the benefits be? I'm out of the online loop, but how much are the points worth? Free tourney entries? My understanding was a lot of the benefits of being at that level is higher multiples of FPPs - which would mean just making the level doesn't have a lot of benefit...you'd need to be playing at that level.

You earn 3.5 FPP credits for every 1 VPP earned$1,500 or $4,000 reward bonus available for purchase from the VIP StoreAs you reach various VIP Milestones you can purchase special cash credits.When players hit one of the following VPP milestones they will be eligible to purchase a cash reward for 50,000 FPPs: * $800 at 100,000 VPP * $2,000 at 200,000 VPP * $3,000 at 300,000 VPP * $4,000 at 400,000 VPP * $5,000 at 500,000 VPP * $6,000 at 600,000 VPP * $8,000 at 800,000 VPP$30,000 tourney (Saturdays at 14:30 for 100 FPP buy-in)$75,000 tourney (Saturdays at 14:00 – free entry)$100,000 freeroll (Last Saturday of each month – free entry)Use your FPP credits to buy into the regular weekly tourneys as well as major events from the World Championship of Online Poker, PokerStars Caribbean Adventure, European Poker Tour events or the *World Series of Poker main event

[kreppsen]

Lucoo_, on Saturday, December 12th, 2009, 6:34 PM, said:

Yeah since oct 1st ive played 260K according to PTR, and they even miss some hands. So i guess it's just over 1MM

You're my hero Lucoo, if I had the chance to play regulary I think I might would be able to do 400k hands. At the moment I really can't see myself be a grinder.As for this post, making supernova, comes with winnings. I knew a guy that tried to make Supernova Elite, but he said it simply ain't worth it unless you got a huge bankroll and a lot of time. Try improve your game and jump levels, then when you crush the higher limits, go grind VPP.And really, why would you want Supernova, unless you're going for Supernova Elite to claim your tourney packages I really can't see what there's in it to grind VPP for Platinum/super... Other than status and a good feeling.

[Escalante]

First post here. OP, I grinded 25c-50c for around 6 months. I 24 tabled them. And I think I maybe made 25-30 VPP/hr. In order to make a VPP @ the time, the pot had to reach 16 bb. W/the new system, I dunno. You'd have to be really committed. 50c-$1 level is possible though. I'll be getting there this month (started in July)

HighwayStar, on Saturday, December 12th, 2009, 8:04 AM, said:

DON'T DO THIS:You CANNOT beat limit if you 24 table, it's not as simple as NLHE, you're making so many more decisions per hand. I know of noone who wins who plays more than 15 tables, plenty try. Supernova simply isn't worth it, supernova elite..maybe.edit - I may be wrong about noone beating the game who plays that many tables, I know of noone who plays higher than 1/2 who plays that many tables and wins

It can be done. I don't know of many players that 24 table for a profit other than myself. But there are enough fish to make it profitable.