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[chrozzo]

PA smoking ban into effect today!that makes me a happy chrozzo!discuss.

[grocery_mony]

yea smoking sucksthey are addicitive but it just takes a little will power to quiteand its a load of BS that ciggarettes are harder to quite than heroin, havent heard of to many people sucking dick for nicotine

[magnus72]

they put that into effect a couple years ago in MN and I have come home ever since with my clothes not smelling like an ashtray. also they have set up gazebos or whatever outside of bars now for the smokers and thats a nice place to hang out sometimes. at least in the summer. not sure if I will be out there in January at all.

[chrozzo]

grocery_mony, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:38 PM, said:

yea smoking sucksthey are addicitive but it just takes a little will power to quiteand its a load of BS that ciggarettes are harder to quite than heroin, havent heard of to many people sucking dick for nicotine

hehehebeautiful point

[RonBurgundy]

grocery_mony, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 12:38 AM, said:

and its a load of BS that ciggarettes are harder to quite than heroin, havent heard of to many people sucking dick for nicotine

that would be a relevant argument if the question was are they more addictive. i imagine what people mean when they say its harder to quit cigarettes than heroin is that there aren't 20some brands of heroin in every gas station at 3 bucks a pop, and you dont really see many people shooting up in the streets. cigarettes, on the other hand, are everywhere. and every person smoking is a reminder, and every store you pass is an opportunity to relapse.

[chrozzo]

RonBurgundy, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:49 PM, said:

that would be a relevant argument if the question was are they more addictive. i imagine what people mean when they say its harder to quit cigarettes than heroin is that there aren't 20some brands of heroin in every gas station at 3 bucks a pop, and you dont really see many people shooting up in the streets. cigarettes, on the other hand, are everywhere. and every person smoking is a reminder, and every store you pass is an opportunity to relapse.

beautiful point

[chrozzo]

chrozzo, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:43 PM, said:

hehehebeautiful point

chrozzo, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:52 PM, said:

beautiful point

beautiful points

[renaedawn]

chrozzo, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 10:52 PM, said:

beautiful point

He's all sexy when he's being eloquent.

[hank213]

The main problem I have the whole push to make it illegal to use cigarettes anywhere is the hypocrisy. If the majority of the society wants to do away with cigarettes, fine. Why not attack the problem at the source: the tobacco producers. No, the gov't won't do that, too much money coming from the lobby and from the ever increasing sin taxes imposed on smokes. Instead we're going to have a product that is legal to produce, legal to sell, legal to buy, but not legal to use. Well just remember all you non-smokers, me and my wheezing, coughing, hacking-up-a-lung-cookie-the-size-of-a-small-dog-in-the-morning friends and I are putting a lot of dough towards paving our roads and keeping the doors open on our kids' schools.

[chrozzo]

renaedawn, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:53 PM, said:

He's all sexy when he's being eloquent.

so...what does your attire consist of this fiiiine evening?

[renaedawn]

chrozzo, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

so...what does your attire consist of this fiiiine evening?

Ohh....this is awkward.I meant Burgundy.

[grocery_mony]

hank213, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 8:56 PM, said:

The main problem I have the whole push to make it illegal to use cigarettes anywhere is the hypocrisy. If the majority of the society wants to do away with cigarettes, fine. Why not attack the problem at the source: the tobacco producers. No, the gov't won't do that, too much money coming from the lobby and from the ever increasing sin taxes imposed on smokes. Instead we're going to have a product that is legal to produce, legal to sell, legal to buy, but not legal to use. Well just remember all you non-smokers, me and my wheezing, coughing, hacking-up-a-lung-cookie-the-size-of-a-small-dog-in-the-morning friends and I are putting a lot of dough towards paving our roads and keeping the doors open on our kids' schools.

You can smoke in your home, car, outdoors. Do you think poor Chrozzo should have to suffer because you would rather sit a your barstool and smoke than go outside for 5 minutes to smoke?

[hank213]

grocery_mony, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 10:00 PM, said:

You can smoke in your home, car, outdoors. Do you think poor Chrozzo should have to suffer because you would rather sit a your barstool and smoke than go outside for 5 minutes to smoke?

Why is comfort level more important than mine?--editOh and don't be so sure about the whole smoke outside thing. The trend seems to be picking up steam to ban smoking in public areas outdoors as well.

[chrozzo]

renaedawn, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

Ohh....this is awkward.I meant Burgundy.

ooooooooooooo

grocery_mony, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 12:00 AM, said:

You can smoke in your home, car, outdoors. Do you think poor Chrozzo should have to suffer because you would rather sit a your barstool and smoke than go outside for 5 minutes to smoke?

think of all the poor chrozzos out there!

[SuperJon]

grocery_mony, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 12:00 AM, said:

You can smoke in your home, car, outdoors. Do you think poor Chrozzo should have to suffer because you would rather sit a your barstool and smoke than go outside for 5 minutes to smoke?

What about the people that get wasted at the bar and drive home? They pose a risk to people on the road just as much as someone who is smoking in the bar.The fact is, yes, there are places where smoking should not be allowed. A bar is not one of those places.

[grocery_mony]

hank213, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 9:06 PM, said:

Why is comfort level more important than mine?--editOh and don't be so sure about the whole smoke outside thing. The trend seems to be picking up steam to ban smoking in public areas outdoors as well.

Because second hand smoke is a proven killerThey already have banned smoking outdoors within 10 feet of any entrance of public buildings. Most places built covered enclosures for smokers.

[hank213]

SuperJon, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

What about the people that get wasted at the bar and drive home? They pose a risk to people on the road just as much as someone who is smoking in the bar.The fact is, yes, there are places where smoking should not be allowed. A bar is not one of those places.

One of the big arguments in favor of banning smoking that was put forth here was the whole "what about the children?" bullshit. Look, if you're bringing kids to a bar, smoking is rather low on the problem list.

grocery_mony, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 10:11 PM, said:

Because second hand smoke is a proven killerThey already have banned smoking outdoors within 10 feet of any entrance of public buildings. Most places built covered enclosures for smokers.

I think they made it 12 here. Not 1 enclosure, unless you count bus stop shelters that were already there.As far as the health angle I refer to my previous post. If they're so bad for society in general then make 'em illegal. Open non-smoking bars if there's such a market for them. All kinds of remedies exist, but the way things are being done is creating second class citizens because they choose to use a legally obtainable product.

[grocery_mony]

hank213, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 9:21 PM, said:

One of the big arguments in favor of banning smoking that was put forth here was the whole "what about the children?" bullshit. Look, if you're bringing kids to a bar, smoking is rather low on the problem list.I think they made it 12 here. Not 1 enclosure, unless you count bus stop shelters that were already there.As far as the health angle I refer to my previous post. If they're so bad for society in general then make 'em illegal. Open non-smoking bars if there's such a market for them. All kinds of remedies exist, but the way things are being done is creating second class citizens because they choose to use a legally obtainable product.

I am not sure what the tax situation on cigarettes is down there but in Canada the government is just as addicted to the tax revenue as people are to there cigarettes. You can legally by dildos too but you cant use them in public.

[loogie]

grocery_mony, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 8:38 PM, said:

havent heard of to many people sucking dick for nicotine

Yeah, but have you ever tried to quit sucking dick? It's harder than quitting cigarettes.

[ajs510]

magnus72, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:43 PM, said:

they put that into effect a couple years ago in MN and I have come home ever since with my clothes not smelling like an ashtray. also they have set up gazebos or whatever outside of bars now for the smokers and thats a nice place to hang out sometimes. at least in the summer. not sure if I will be out there in January at all.

Same thing in NYS, it's the best thing our lawmakers ever did.