SilentSnow, on Friday, June 3rd, 2011, 2:20 AM, said:
1.I wouldn't use the term morally superior, but on a practical level it is less bad since it tends to be much less damaging.
Why would it be less damaging to steal from more people? Having more victims does not make a crime better. This is very weak.
2.Well an immoral(negative?) act can potentially be moral if you are trying to correct the first immoral act. I already said that both acts were immoral. But the real point of my argument is that I want someone to give me a reason why most people accept one act but not the other. As for the grey area, if you live in a society where theft is legal can that society really expect you not to steal from it? If you believe that moral codes are set by society then I think the answer is no. If you believe in another code then the answer might be different.
I don't even know what two acts we are comparing. You've vaguely referred to some general crime committed by the banks, but I don't know what you're talking about.
3.I'm talking about the fact that our society supports wildly unfair distributions of wealth at birth or inheritance. Those people did nothing to earn that money just like you did nothing to earn the bank error. Why is one stealing and the other not?
I don't believe that you can't see the difference. Either 1) you're really not thinking before you type 2) you're so committed to making some point that you don't care whether you make sense or 3) you have lost a different kind of genetic lottery.Stealing is taking something from someone against their will. Inheritance does not qualify. ( Are you seriously a communist? )
4.The moral choice would be to return it to those who were hurt by the unfair distribution, not your parents. Any morality that can ignore fairness is not a true morality.
And if you force people to do that, that isn't stealing? You seem to be working from the idea that it is morally wrong for one person to have more than another. I don't think anyone is going to share that assumption with you.
5.Any time you take something you didn't earn you are in effect stealing.
No. Everyone note not to give Silent Snow a birthday present this year, since he doesn't want to steal from us.
People who are born wealthy/inherit wealth later are taking far more than their fair share of resources and did not earn them.
See, I thought you were making some moral/ethical argument, but you're really just pushing some political ideology? I didn't initially realize what you were up to since I don't usually read your posts. A system where equal wealth distribution is forced does not maximize human well-being. It is therefore immoral to implement such a system.
In an ideal society everyone would be born with an equal opportunity which includes a fair initial share of resources.
Yeah, let's be real careful that no one ends up taller than anyone else or with better musical talent or sharper vision. NOT FAIR!
In that society "all men are created equal" would be more than just a sick joke. In practice it is impossible to actually create a fair system but we should at least make an attempt to correct the worst extremes. I realize this might sound weird since our society is based on supporting injustice.
It doesn't sound weird, it just sounds stupid.
6.No. I am saying it is not ok. But under our current system there isn't a good reason not to steal from the bank. The solution is to fix society, not encourage stealing from banks.
There isn't a good reason not to steal from the bank....? Let's do this real slowly. It's illegal to take the bank's property. The law says that if I give you something that's mine -- by accident -- you should give it back, because accidents don't transfer ownership. Now surely some laws are unjust and not worth following because some ethical principle supersedes them. Is this an unjust law worth breaking on ethical grounds? Seems to me like a pretty reasonable law. If we are to follow your "reasoning", then since life is unfair and wealth is not evenly distributed, we should all just take whatever we want, whenever we want to. Is that what you do?