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[delphi12]

So im playing the $500->no max $5/10 blind game at Hustler. Its the usual suspects there - everyone had just busted out of the $20k guarantee (i was last to enter as I had gone out 18 - got back my buyin which i guess is a win, right?). Here's the hand:Im in the cutoff with 67 diamonds. Family pot (very unusual for this cast of characters, but it did actually happen).Flop: Kh 6h 4cchecked around to me. I bet $40. button calls, everyone else foldsTurn: AdI check. button bets $100. I call.River: AcI check. button bets $100.Now, while I am thinking and realizing this is a busted flush draw, the guy to my right says, "whoa, i still have cards, sorry" and mucks them. The guy who bets doesnt say a word. I still think about possible hands. And realize its either Ax hearts or Qx hearts. Knowing this guy though he would have raised with Ax hearts on the button when everyone limps or at the very least on the flop, i ruled that out. So I go with my gut and call and flip over my 67. He jumps up and screams that he wants his money back because the other guy held on to his hand and it somehow affected how I made the call.Does the guy deserve his money back? Does the river get burned, reshuffled and delt again? You make the call. Discussion of my play will be accepted, but id rather this be a discussion on the correct thing for the house to do.

[Suited_Up]

The guy forgetting to fold his cards doesn't affect any of the further action.Obviously none of you realized he had the cards, so it couldn't have affected anything up to that point.You win the pot, I don't even see why there is a discussion.

[thechad5]

why on earth would the guy get his money back...your play was fine as you trusted your instincts...and the guy who held onto his cards didnt have any affect on the way the hand was played out...Thats all I got

[cdipierr]

delphi12, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 12:51 PM, said:

Does the guy deserve his money back? Does the river get burned, reshuffled and delt again? You make the call. Discussion of my play will be accepted, but id rather this be a discussion on the correct thing for the house to do.

No. Action stands as is, and it's your pot assuming your 6 is good. Dealer needs a talking to, but his cards did not affect the outcome of the hand.

[doudave]

He gets nothing back cause the other guy holding his cards has nothing to do with anything. Why would the river get reshuffled? This happens at our home game often where the person says hes out and holds the card in front of him, has no affect on the outcome.

[....Ian....]

IMO, there was 'action' on the river card. pot is yours

[delphi12]

Suited_Up, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 1:55 PM, said:

The guy forgetting to fold his cards doesn't affect any of the further action.Obviously none of you realized he had the cards, so it couldn't have affected anything up to that point.You win the pot, I don't even see why there is a discussion.

Theres a discussion because had you been there you would know that it stopped play for 20 minutes while two floorpeople had to hear the discussion and were seriously wondering if somehow the guy and I had communicated - obviously, he could have been angle shooting and trying to get in on 4th street once the card fell, but he didn't.But here's the question and one that the player was asking for - should the river be burned and reshuffled to give him a chance to catch his flush? Obviously if i called before the guy mucked his hand, then i dont think the guy is pissed. The problem was i called AFTER which made him think the final card and outcome somehow is different - you wouldn't believe how dumb some floor people are and how they treat their regulars (of which i am, but 20 years junior to the other regular who i beat out of $250 there).

[brvheart]

doudave, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 3:58 PM, said:

He gets nothing back cause the other guy holding his cards has nothing to do with anything. Why would the river get reshuffled? This happens at our home game often where the person says hes out and holds the card in front of him, has no affect on the outcome.

This is the official answer... doudave's 'home game' says so.

[dapokerbum]

delphi12, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 9:00 AM, said:

Theres a discussion because had you been there you would know that it stopped play for 20 minutes while two floorpeople had to hear the discussion and were seriously wondering if somehow the guy and I had communicated - obviously, he could have been angle shooting and trying to get in on 4th street once the card fell, but he didn't.But here's the question and one that the player was asking for - should the river be burned and reshuffled to give him a chance to catch his flush? Obviously if i called before the guy mucked his hand, then i dont think the guy is pissed. The problem was i called AFTER which made him think the final card and outcome somehow is different - you wouldn't believe how dumb some floor people are and how they treat their regulars (of which i am, but 20 years junior to the other regular who i beat out of $250 there).

Just because the floor people there happen to be retards does nothing to the fact that there SHOULD be no discussion on this matter.

[SSPadawon4]

delphi12, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 12:51 PM, said:

So im playing the $500->no max $5/10 blind game at Hustler. Its the usual suspects there - everyone had just busted out of the $20k guarantee (i was last to enter as I had gone out 18 - got back my buyin which i guess is a win, right?). Here's the hand:Im in the cutoff with 67 diamonds. Family pot (very unusual for this cast of characters, but it did actually happen).Flop: Kh 6h 4cchecked around to me. I bet $40. button calls, everyone else foldsTurn: AdI check. button bets $100. I call.River: AcI check. button bets $100.Now, while I am thinking and realizing this is a busted flush draw, the guy to my right says, "whoa, i still have cards, sorry" and mucks them. The guy who bets doesnt say a word. I still think about possible hands. And realize its either Ax hearts or Qx hearts. Knowing this guy though he would have raised with Ax hearts on the button when everyone limps or at the very least on the flop, i ruled that out. So I go with my gut and call and flip over my 67. He jumps up and screams that he wants his money back because the other guy held on to his hand and it somehow affected how I made the call.Does the guy deserve his money back? Does the river get burned, reshuffled and delt again? You make the call. Discussion of my play will be accepted, but id rather this be a discussion on the correct thing for the house to do.

The answer is no, u both didn't know, he was just upset he lost the hand and wanted payback of some sorts. Great call btw.

[CodyHartman]

so what happened?

[delphi12]

CodyHartman, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 2:53 PM, said:

so what happened?

I won the pot. The guy was super pissed and then started screaming at the dealer that it was her fault and she should write him a check. He said, "I know larry flynt and you wont be working here much longer." It was about that time that people on the table started saying things like, "well, if you know larry, just ask him for the money - or better yet, just play in his game on sundays - hes usually the donk that loses 500k anyway." It was great..Here's another great hand between us..It folded around to me - i have A5clubsi raise to $40, he makes it $100.. i callflop Kc Jc 5sI check. he bets $150, I go all in for $2200. he thinks for a minute and then callsturn: 7cI flip over my cards towards the middle for all to seeriver: 2sHe jumps up - flips his cards over and says "2 PAIR! Kings and Jacks!" smiling proudly.The dealer starts counting my money and he says, "what are you doing? I cover him. I have like $5k.."Everyone then realizes that he has no clue my cards are sitting right there showing my flush until the dealer states it and he turns bright red and runs away to yell some more at the floorpeople. It was a good overall night.

[CodyHartman]

he sounds like a whiny little bitch, Im glad you took his money and are able to make your house payment with it.

[Canuckickstan]

Watch out for that guy in the parking lot. Nice hand, fuggin whiner.

[AZWildcat]

nice session... how much were you in the game for, and what did you walk away with? Are the games at Hustler usually pretty juicy? Or just depends who you're playing with...?

[delphi12]

AZWildcat, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 3:24 PM, said:

nice session... how much were you in the game for, and what did you walk away with? Are the games at Hustler usually pretty juicy? Or just depends who you're playing with...?

I bought in $1300, walked away with $5700. The $500 game there is usually not that loose. Its because they upped the regular $15k tourney to $20k that more people came out and then got into that game. Of the rooms in LA, I do best at Hustler, then Hollywood Park, then Bike, then Commerce. And as luck would have it, Hustler is closest to my house so its nice that I have the best run of the cards there.Are you in Zona?? I'm going to scottsdale over July 4 and will be going to one of the rooms there when I am there. I forget the name, but I remember its a spread limit not NL - but I still did well last year, so I look forward to that again.

CodyHartman, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 3:12 PM, said:

he sounds like a whiny little bitch, Im glad you took his money and are able to make your house payment with it.

LOL.. I only wish this win was enough to make my house payment!

[CodyHartman]

delphi12, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 3:47 PM, said:

I only wish this win was enough to make my house payment!

what the hell kind of home do you own where a victory of over 2500$ dont make your payment. $hit I wish I had that problem. Mines like 750$/month. But my house is small and it wasnt over 170k.

[delphi12]

CodyHartman, on Wednesday, June 7th, 2006, 3:58 PM, said:

what the hell kind of home do you own where a victory of over 2500$ dont make your payment. $hit I wish I had that problem. Mines like 750$/month. But my house is small and it wasnt over 170k.

170k in los angeles gets you a bathroom. I'll say this much, my house in the 3 years i've lived in it has already doubled in price. And if the house accross the street that is asking for 1.35mil sells, then my house will go up even more since I have a pool and 1100 square feet more.Also, I didn't put much down on my house - thus i have a large monthly payment.

[XX44466XX]

House shrugs, says "Sorry bub" to your opponent. Scoop that pot without a qualm. Take the rest of tilty bluffer's chips. Enjoy your night out.

[Canuckickstan]

On that note, even funnier if you tip the dealer a $20 after the hand.