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[keith crime]

Koop stop saying Barry admitted to willingly taking steroids because he didn'tStop saying it was proven because it wasn't a book doesn't equal provenAnd you're argument about legality applies to all illegal drugs - if you took out all hall of famers who broke laws - it would be a lot smaller

[KowboyKoop]

keith crime, on Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 12:56 PM, said:

Koop stop saying Barry admitted to willingly taking steroids because he didn'tStop saying it was proven because it wasn't a book doesn't equal provenAnd you're argument about legality applies to all illegal drugs - if you took out all hall of famers who broke laws - it would be a lot smaller

Quit twisting words. ALLLLL I have been saying is that Bonds ADMITTED TO TAKING STEROIDS to the jury. THAT IS A FACT!! He denied KNOWING they were steroids at the time, and whether he did or not is a COMPLETELY different issue. It is of my opinion that he "willingly" took them b/c he is supposedly a freak about working out and what he puts in his body..so I'd guess that he knew..but it doesn't matter whether he "willingly" or "mistakenly" took them or whatever.....he admitted that they were given to him, and he admitted to taking them. THAT IS IT!!! I never said it was only proven in a book...that is ONE more piece of evidence. It is ONE piece of sh*t thrown onto a gigantic pile of sh*t. You KNOW I am right in what I am saying..but you just keep on bringing up other irrelevant stuff and not addressing exactly what I am saying. I don't care that much about his denial of "knowing" they were steroids..bottom line is..HE ADMITTED TO TAKING STEROIDS. Whether he "knew" at the time is irrelevant. He took them and it should be recognized. THAT IS IT!!! You are acting like I am saying he should be banned from baseball and stuff.....you don't seem to understand (which at this point is NOT a shock....) that I have already plainly stated that he SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame and can NOT be suspended right now. All I said is that it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he TOOK STEROIDS, and thus, it should be recognized and all his homerun records are tarnished. I never said he was the only dirty player in the game..even though you keep accusing me of that. I never said he should be suspended for baseball, even though you act like I am, and I never said he shouldn't get in the HOF, even though you act like I am.I seriously think you need to actually start reading and comprehending my posts.....because you are WAYYYYYYYYYY off in understanding what I am saying. I am saying his use of steroids should simply be recognized..and you respond by asking me to prove that every other player in the history of the game is clean. Flat out doesn't make sense.....

[BNH77]

Bonds belongs in the HOF, it isnt his fault Baseball had no policy towards steroids. He was also a great player when he wasnt on Steroids, unlike McGwire, Sosa ect.

[keith crime]

Koop you are the one using semantics - admitting to knowingly taking steroids and admitting to unknowingly taking steroids are a huge difference one that does not merit you to continuously type HE ADMITTED TO TAKING STEROIDS

[KowboyKoop]

keith crime, on Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 1:42 PM, said:

Koop you are the one using semantics - admitting to knowingly taking steroids and admitting to unknowingly taking steroids are a huge difference one that does not merit you to continuously type HE ADMITTED TO TAKING STEROIDS

I KNOW THEY ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES. ALL I HAVE MAINTAINED IS THAT HE TOOK THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT!!!!!!! I HAVE NEVER CALLED HIM THE BIGGEST CHEATER/VILLIAN IN SPORTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!! HE TOOK STEROIDS, IT IS PROVEN. HE ADMITTED IT!!!! WHETHER HE "KNEW' OR NOT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. I HAVE SAID THAT REPEATEDLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE NOT SAID THAT IT IS 100 PERCENT HIS FAULT!!!!!!!!! WHAT MORE DO I HAVE TO DO TO SHOW YOU THAT ALLLLLLLL I AM SAYING IS THAT HE TOOK THEM AND IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED. THAT IS IT!!!!!!! BOTTOM LINE. HE TOOK THEM. IT IS A FACT. PROVEN. THUS, IT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED. DID HE 'KNOWINGLY' TAKE THEM?? I THINK SO, BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR ME TO PROVE THAT RIGHT NOW...NOT UNTIL I READ THE BOOK AND SEE WHAT PROOF THERE IS. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT HE TOOK THEM. BONDS = TOOK STEROIDS.FACT. PROVEN.HE SAID HE TOOK THEM.ADMITTED IT. FACT.PROVEN. HE TOLD A JURY THAT HE TOOK THE CREAM AND THE CLEARTHE CREAM IS A STEROID. THE CLEAR IS A STEROID. CONCLUSION: BARRY BONDS TOOK STEROIDS. THAT'S IT. UNDENIABLE. YOU KNOW IT IS A FACT. GET OVER IT.Edit: and no, I am not yelling..I am just trying to find a way for you to actually see what I am writing.

[keith crime]

well clearly someone needs decaf and clearly you have been acting like admitting to taking steroids unwillingly impeaches his character which clearly it does notand no **** he took steroidsoj killed nicole too

[KowboyKoop]

keith crime, on Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 2:19 PM, said:

well clearly someone needs decaf and clearly you have been acting like admitting to taking steroids unwillingly impeaches his character which clearly it does notand no **** he took steroids oj killed nicole too

Then what the f*ck are you arguing with me about. This has been the ONLY THING I have said. He took steroids..and it should be recognized. That is IT. This entire time you have been arguing with me over something that I have not said, apparently. Maybe you should learn to read or something??? He took them, it is proven. It should be recognized. Have I said he should not be in the HOF?? Have I said he should be banned from baseball?? Have I said he was the worst person in the world??? Have I said he is the only dirty player in the history of the game?? Have I SAID any of that?!?! No. So......what are you arguing with me about!?! You tell me. I could care less about whether his "character has been impeached."

[timwakefield]

BNH77, on Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 11:30 AM, said:

Bonds belongs in the HOF, it isnt his fault Baseball had no policy towards steroids. He was also a great player when he wasnt on Steroids, unlike McGwire, Sosa ect.

Baseball did have a policy banning steroids, they just didn't have testing or punishment. But do you really think that players who were using thought it was allowed? I mean, it's banned in all serious sporting events all over the world.....you think he said...'Oh yeah I know they kick dudes out of the Olympics for it, but it's not against the rules in baseball.' That's ridiculous. It's cheating and everybody knows it. And Barry admitted to it. If you actually believe that he didn't know he was taking them, then you are extemely gullible. I used this analogy before: say Mickey Mantle had been caught using a corked bat EVERY DAY during his 5 best seasons. Even if half the leauge was also using corked bats, and pitchers were throwing spitballs, he would not make the HOF. Neither would anybody else using a corked bat, and neither should any player who used steroids for extended periods. Also, McGwire hit 49 hrs his rookie season......I'm not sure when he supposedly started using.

[princeof56k]

Are we actually sure that baseball had a banned substance list in the prior to a couple years ago? Not trying to start trouble here, but I was under the impression is didnt exist, and if it did, it was completely inadequate.This is extremely imortant because in other sports they specifically state which drugs can NOT be used. You cant just say "ban all performance enhancing drugs." It's too general and there's too many ways to interpet it. You have to be specific.I remember when McGwire took Andro. He freely admitted it since it was perfectly legal in the US. However almost any other respectable sport had banned the stuff. McGwire broke no baseball rules but was clearly using a performance enhancer. I cant remember if baseball banned the stuff shortly after that or not. I dont think they did but its probably banned now (players union and all).So its entirely possible that Bonds actually didnt break any baseball rules since he probably didnt take anything that was banned by baseball.

[KowboyKoop]

princeof56k, on Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 10:08 PM, said:

Are we actually sure that baseball had a banned substance list in the prior to a couple years ago? Not trying to start trouble here, but I was under the impression is didnt exist, and if it did, it was completely inadequate.This is extremely imortant because in other sports they specifically state which drugs can NOT be used. You cant just say "ban all performance enhancing drugs." It's too general and there's too many ways to interpet it. You have to be specific.I remember when McGwire took Andro. He freely admitted it since it was perfectly legal in the US. However almost any other respectable sport had banned the stuff. McGwire broke no baseball rules but was clearly using a performance enhancer. I cant remember if baseball banned the stuff shortly after that or not. I dont think they did but its probably banned now (players union and all).So its entirely possible that Bonds actually didnt break any baseball rules since he probably didnt take anything that was banned by baseball.

Well..since the 1970s (I believe), steroids have been flat out illegal in the entire country....so I think it is safe to say that they were banned from baseball. MLB rules must follow U.S. rules.... Steroids have always been banned from baseball ever since they came about. Andro is a lot different than steroids...Andro (from what I have heard and know) was just something which helped the body recover quicker to prevent injury. It is now on the banned list...but it isn't NEARLY as much as a performance enhancer as steroids. Steroids have always been banned in sports. No, the "policy" was hardly enforced at the time, but that doesn't make using them right.

[timwakefield]

Also, the fact that there was a discussion over whether andro was banned or not shows that there WERE banned substances. Obviously steroids were included.

[cuddlemonkey]

keith crime, on Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 2:19 PM, said:

well clearly someone needs decaf and clearly you have been acting like admitting to taking steroids unwillingly impeaches his character which clearly it does notand no **** he took steroidsoj killed nicole too

But... the glove didn't fit...

[KowboyKoop]

timwakefield, on Wednesday, March 15th, 2006, 12:28 AM, said:

Also, the fact that there was a discussion over whether andro was banned or not shows that there WERE banned substances. Obviously steroids were included.

Excellent point. Of course, Keith Crime will refuse to believe this, and will instead respond by asking you to get audio clips of ten MLB executives giving a detailed history of ALL banned substances, and then will say that you can't be mad at Barry Bonds because Hitler killed a lot of people and thus, you can't be mad at Bonds.