Ak Against A Maniac

[No_Neck 0]

Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $0.25/$0.56 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K A UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Button calls.Flop: 6 3 8 (10SB, 3 players)Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.Turn: 4 (8BB, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets, Hero?67/6/4/34

[CoranMoran 0]

Villain's play represents a hand that beats us.It looks like an overpair.If all of our overs were clean...+ 46 unknown cards+ 6 good cards+ 40 bad cards= about 7-1 odds we will hit the river.We are getting 8-1 odds on calling.So under these simplistic conditions, calling would be right.But there are other factors that change things.--> We can't count our overs as 3 outs each. The standard rule is to count each over as 1.5 outs. (Since Villain could easily have A8, A5, A3, which would kill all of our Ace outs).--> We do not close the turn action with our call. And if UTG check-raises, we either pay 2 bets to see the river or we paid 1 bet to see nothing.These 2 factors kill our odds.And it makes calling the turn a poor play.

Replying to Ak Against A Maniac

The fact that he is a maniac may mean that we are still ahead.And if this read is accurate, it often makes calling down the whole way heads up with AK-unimproved acceptable.But with that 3rd player still there, we are behind too often.I fold.Note: Against a maniac, I do not bet the flop in the first place.Since Villain will often be raising our bet with anything, and is unlikely to fold whatever he has, we accomplish very little with a bet.Let them bluff off their money.And just push back when we have a strong hand.--CM

[aim786 0]

^^ What he said.

[No_Neck 0]

yeah I suck at poker he/she had JJ getting better though, I am now a winning player which is exciting, thanks for the help guys.