copernicus, on Wednesday, September 10th, 2008, 11:42 AM, said:
A pot size bet lays 2:1 (maximum) odds. A double pot size bet lays a maximum 1.333:1 odds....there must be some terminology confusion here.
I should have spotted that myself - too hurried making the edit I guess. Here's what Daniel wrote:"With $1325 in the pot, a rather large raise will win you the pot a very high percentage of the time provided that: a.,b.,c.,d."
He list four conditions to making a grab at the pot but note the pot size here. Then 2 paras following he goes on to say "Let's say you decide on a $2600 raise. What you are basically doing is laying 2 to 1 odds that everyone will fold before the flop."
So in his example the dbl pot size raise (2600 into a pot of 1325) will actually give about 1.5 to 1 pot odds. Oh ya, the blinds were 100/200 with 25 ante. The math aside, the raise to about dbl the pot size is being recommended for this move by both Daniel and myself in my post while in other books/articles/forum posts by other authors I've seen this raise as high as all-in push. I don't think that's recommended or necessary in a deep stack tourney and as Daniel says later:"Also, it's extremely important to note that you shouldn't risk a high percentage of your chips on a play like this." "~~ Never put yourself in a position where you are pot-committed with a terrible hand
All-in push might be applicable to faster tourneys but if this move is being made as an ATC steal, the risk is very high imo since there are easier and less risky steals available.