Actuary, on Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 11:09 AM, said:
trying to think about how this would play out had I raised preflopSB probably folds, and we have 5 to the flop, and 10.5 SB'sThe advice to 3 bet would still be valid, given similar action, right?And if it's checked to me, I should bet.if 4 handed to the turn, pot 7BB's, I'd take the free card, if given, or call a bet.River, I'm not comfortable raising.I think not 3-betting flop was a big error.
Actually, if I decide to raise, as I said I wan't the small blind fold. At that point, I'm not playing for the flush. I'm trying to play against the weak UTG and UTG+2's weak hole card standards. Expecting that a pair of tens or queens will hold up more than my fair share (>33%). But like I said, if I don't think I can get that situation (which is probably more typical), I'm limping.But even if the SB folds and we flop the flush draw... Yeah, playing out the hand the same way is still valid. If you work out the numbers losing that 1SB doesn't even come close to a negative EV.As far as the turn, again depends on their showdown numbers. If you think you will get at least two calls, bet! You have proper odds to increase your EV by 0.08BB. if you think you might only get 1 caller, take the free card since you would decrease your EV by 0.28BB.As I said, i don't have a problem only calling the river. But if I feel confident that UTG+1 would call 2 bets, I would be tempted to raise.
amarillotg, on Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 12:18 PM, said:
i wish and strive to think like this while in the middle of a hand.
lol.... No doubt!!I guess the trick is to become so familar with this type of sitaution (as similar situation will happen often over time), that you've already thought it out (by discussing it in threads like this and such) and know what you want to do.As the pros say, reading all the books you want is great, but there is no subsitute for experience!