answer to quizz question #5

[DanielNegreanu 141]

Well, I'm glad to see that most of you guys nailed this one as the correct answer was pretty clear: Move all in. The blinds will increase your stack enough to make it worth it, but you simply don't have enough chips to make a small raise since you'd be forced to call even if one of the blinds moved all in on you.

[KramitDaToad 0]

Thanks big guy.Better make the next one a bit tougher though, or else we'll all start thinking we're ready to take you on

[Emptyeye 0]

Woo, nice to see I didn't overthink it.

[poker_bull 0]

Woo, nice to see I didn't overthink it.

Can't say the same.

[Usermaatre 0]

Thanks big guy.Better make the next one a bit tougher though, or else we'll all start thinking we're ready to take you on  

When I read this, all I can think of is Daniel hearing cash registers going off in his head. (and yes I know the smiley face meant you were kidding)

[smurdogg 0]

Good first post.

[Bertuzzi 0]

Its not that I disagree with your answer, I think it is correct in a way. I am just looking for a little insight on this subject. Here is my view:5 Handed A-7 (off) nice hand.... not a monster but not rags. Now I understand where you are coming from on the All-in move, I could see myself doing it sometimes.The small blind is in the pot for $100 and only has $650 remaining, you push all in he thinks for a moment. Hmmm..... I can lay this down and have the button next and get a few free hands to make my move before the blinds come around, or if I call, the big blind will probably lay down (unless he has a monster) because I have called the all in. So that means I can bring my stack up to 1700 and be breathing a little better, if I beat this guy.So instead of stealing the blinds you get called and (A) Your up against a better hand or (B) You lose to a not so good hand, just because you thought it would be good to steal the blinds. Now you are very short and you have another player at the table with more chips then you.I think All-In in this situation could end up being a mistake. Smooth calling is also very dangerous. To answer this question properly I would have to have seen how the small blind and big blind play. Are the aggresive are the tight?I do beleive this is a Raise or Fold situation and you are to short stacked to put in raise big enough without going all in.If you could please respond with support as to why going all in is the right move. Thanks

[augmented 0]

basically bertuzzi its like this: given the fact that it is a raise or fold situation, pretty much the only raise "big enough" you can do to get your opponents to lay down is all in. you do not want a call in this situation. but if you raise like most of your stack so that you are left with 3 or 400, you will still have to commit all of your chips if you are called or played back at. the problem with that semibig raise is that it makes it more likely for them to call, and even if they have crap cards you dont want them in. so go all in and get them out if you can. youre cooked if they have AK or something, but a semi big reraise doesnt make that any better.

[Bertuzzi 0]

Yes I understand that you dont want a call, that is why I am not sure on the "All-In" you might just wake a sleeping giant. One of blinds might just be sitting there holding a monster thinking "come on button please try to make a steal." This is why I don't know if its the right move.I have played many tourneys and have experieced this situation a few times. Granted probably no where near as much as Daniel, but I disagree that All-In is the right answer this time. I think folding is also a good option. Lets consider it a personal prefrence or a "gut Feeling" situation.

[joeythep 0]

I answered "move all in", so my reply was correct. However, I was hoping to share my reasoning, and see if that was correct also. A-7 off is a fairly strong hand five handed. The blinds are coming fast five handed, and they're probably raising fairly quickly. So you have to make a move sooner or later. If it's like most of the quickstart tourney's i've seen, it pays three spots. There's 8000 in play, you have 1100, small blind has 650, and bb has 2200. So there's about 4k between the other two. You have to double up to have a realistic shot at the $, so you can't play conservatively. A-7 is a better than random hand, and A) that's what you're raising into, as the SB and BB have yet to act and define their hands. B) That's what you're going to get the next two hands before the blinds come back aroundC) The small blind is short stacked so he's either going to fold or push all in here anyway. D) The big blind likely call your all in with just anything, as he's really close to the other two stacks, but losing an all in would drop him significantly. So he's not looking to take any risks. The most likely end results are either 1) you get called and are badly beaten 2) you win the blinds or 3) you get called and are in a coin flip situation. You have a better chance of winning a coin toss than of finishing in the money by folding what is likely to be the best hand you'll see in a while.

[floping_quads 0]

sorry daniel but your wrong here. The correct ansewer is to CALL. Since your on the button it should be clear if either guys hit on the flop. You could take it down there, or if an ace hits, slow play. The short stack might hit middle pair and go all-in assuming everyone else missed. If the BB calls you'll know your in trouble before investing anouther dime. And this could be a GREAT chance to bust someone and add a significant amout to your dwendling stack! dont risk yuor tourny tring to pick up some antes!!

[Canada 0]

sorry daniel but your wrong here. The correct ansewer is to CALL. Since your on the button it should be clear if either guys hit on the flop. You could take it down there, or if an ace hits, slow play. The short stack might hit middle pair and go all-in assuming everyone else missed. If the BB calls you'll know your in trouble before investing anouther dime. And this could be a GREAT chance to bust someone and add a significant amout to your dwendling stack! dont risk yuor tourny tring to pick up some antes!!

hee hee - your funny