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[cdipierr]

This is actually from a SnG my wife was playing, but I was watching at the time. Curious on opinions.Party SnG, down to heads up, she and the villian have essentially equal chips. Blinds are 300/600, which, if I remember Party correctly means that they both have something like 7500. She has K 3 on the button and completes. Villian minraises. From watching for 10 minutes, the villian seems to be new to the game and has been making comments like "VNH" and "great hand" when people show things like AA...ie. newbie like comments. She calls ... I like this fine, K high might be good, if not it's ok to see a flop with anyway. Flop comes Q 6 4 Villian bets out 1800. So this is the question. Is this an auto-push here? The way I figure it, even if he's connected the Q, our K is probably a legit out, and obviously our diamonds have to be considered good. If he folds, that's fine too as the pot is large enough to give us a chip lead of signifigance. Is this too aggressive? I'll admit my heads up play is lacking lately, so should this just be a call instead to see what develops?

[Royal_Tour]

cdipierr, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 9:08 AM, said:

This is actually from a SnG my wife was playing, but I was watching at the time. Curious on opinions.Party SnG, down to heads up, she and the villian have essentially equal chips. Blinds are 300/600, which, if I remember Party correctly means that they both have something like 7500. She has K 3 on the button and completes. Villian minraises. From watching for 10 minutes, the villian seems to be new to the game and has been making comments like "VNH" and "great hand" when people show things like AA...ie. newbie like comments. She calls ... I like this fine, K high might be good, if not it's ok to see a flop with anyway. Flop comes Q 6 4 Villian bets out 1800. She pushes. So this is the question. Is this an auto-push here? The way I figure it, even if he's connected the Q, our K is probably a legit out, and obvious our diamonds have to be considered good. If he folds, that's fine too as the pot is large enough to give us a chip lead of signifigance. Is this too aggressive? I'll admit my heads up play is lacking lately, so should this just be a call instead to see what develops?

No its not an auto push.blinds 300 / 600 villain min raises so 1200., she calls. there is 2400 in the pot.you have what will probably be the best hand, if it hits.so 7500 in chips., we subract 1200 correct? so now sitting 6300.6300 with a pot that is now 4200. wihtout that much info on villain its hard to tell if this is a contiuation bet or he actually has something.i opt to call, leaving us 4500. (which in HU play will be plenty, as long as we're comfortable that we can outplay villain). We now see the turn, if we dont hit we're still 2nd to act.

[reedmcneal]

Headsup I think this is a fairly easy push. It is very unlikely you are a big dog, and this looks a lot like a continuation bet, so a very good portion of the time you will take down a big pot right here. BTW if this is a 10 man SNG on Party the stacks are probably at more like 10k each minus the blinds.

[Actuary]

if its a 10 Man, I call the flop betif it's a 6 Man, I'd push.assuming even stacks preflop

[Royal_Tour]

Actuary, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 10:05 AM, said:

if its a 10 Man, I call the flop betif it's a 6 Man, I'd push.assuming even stacks preflop

6 or 10 man can make a difference i guess, but really we need more info on the villain.

[Actuary]

Royal_Tour, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 9:22 AM, said:

6 or 10 man can make a difference i guess, but really we need more info on the villain.

in 6 Man, we'd have 6k chips preflop and 10 Man 10k, that's all I went on.

[Royal_Tour]

Actuary, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 11:14 AM, said:

in 6 Man, we'd have 6k chips preflop and 10 Man 10k, that's all I went on.

well., some SnG's start with 1k some with 1500.

[Actuary]

Royal_Tour, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 10:16 AM, said:

well., some SnG's start with 1k some with 1500.

Party is 2k.

[Royal_Tour]

Actuary, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 11:35 AM, said:

Party is 2k.

ahh, i hate party, and refuse to play there, sooo. ..ya.. .... i got nothing

[cdipierr]

Sorry, yeah it was Party, 10 player, so 20,000 total chips, which makes the stacks close to 10k each. In actuality I think I was a little off. I believe the villian had her 12k to 8k now that I think some more, but still pretty close.Anyway, I buy the calling logic, but I really would have thought the fold equity would have been good here with the push.As it was Party (ok, cheap shot I know), vilian insta-called with A6 of clubs, not worried for a second he was beat. Turn was a K, so the action would have happened there anyway, but the river was an A, and the flush was missed. Oh well.

[copernicus]

cdipierr, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 6:11 PM, said:

Sorry, yeah it was Party, 10 player, so 20,000 total chips, which makes the stacks close to 10k each. In actuality I think I was a little off. I believe the villian had her 12k to 8k now that I think some more, but still pretty close.Anyway, I buy the calling logic, but I really would have thought the fold equity would have been good here with the push.As it was Party (ok, cheap shot I know), vilian insta-called with A6 of clubs, not worried for a second he was beat. Turn was a K, so the action would have happened there anyway, but the river was an A, and the flush was missed. Oh well.

K3s is a raising hand with the button with even stacks imo. You need to be aggressive HU, and this a great hand to do it with. An A on the flop kills any action, so raising from the button with Aces tends to not win much unless he hits also. A K isnt as threatening if it flops, and you can occasionally slow play the flop when a K does hit.When you get this board, having raised preflop slows down the opponents flop bet and you have a great opportunity for a cheap or free look for a K or flush. Most of the time I would make a smallish continuation bet if he checks, otherwise just call.I think pushing here is horrible unless you know you are nowhere near as good as your opponent. You are fairly easily read for a semi-bluff, and are going to get called by a lot of hands that are better than yours, risking the big money on a hand you are almost certainly an underdog in.HU imo opinion is a game of exploiting position, playing small ball, and letting the blinds and small raises do their thing, rarely if ever bluffing, and trapping when those miracle flops hit your 72o. The biggest weakness Ive seen in opponents HU is calling a 2-3x raise out of position thinking any 2 cards can win, and then folding to a majority of continuation bets when they miss the flop 70% of the time. Use that, and dont be that!Also when you are out of position, raise or check/reraise preflop with your strong (but not monster) hands. You dont want to play out of position and should be happy to take down the blinds or blinds plus a small raise.

[Royal_Tour]

copernicus, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 3:27 PM, said:

HU imo opinion is a game of exploiting position, playing small ball, and letting the blinds and small raises do their thing, rarely if ever bluffing, and trapping when those miracle flops hit your 72o. The biggest weakness Ive seen in opponents HU is calling a 2-3x raise out of position thinking any 2 cards can win, and then folding to a majority of continuation bets when they miss the flop 70% of the time. Use that, and dont be that!

just as often as you will, your opponent will miss or be dealt trash, calling 2-3x BB bets with almost any two excluding 7,2 7,3 7,4 8,2 8,3 2,3 etc..is Ok, and better for HU, you have lots of time to make plays in HU The hands go much quicker and yiou see a heck of a lot more.their contiuation bet can be an easy target if you're good enough to pick up on their weakness.

[copernicus]

Royal_Tour, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 11:11 PM, said:

just as often as you will, your opponent will miss or be dealt trash, calling 2-3x BB bets with almost any two excluding 7,2 7,3 7,4 8,2 8,3 2,3 etc..is Ok, and better for HU, you have lots of time to make plays in HU The hands go much quicker and yiou see a heck of a lot more.their contiuation bet can be an easy target if you're good enough to pick up on their weakness.

then we'll have to agree to disagree,and maybe run into each other HU sometime.Ive fixed my signature to match yours, btw. ------------------------------WINNING CAPTAIN REGULAR SEASON FCP HEADS UP LEAGUE

[HoldemPokerPlyr]

If you push, you're going to get called, no doubt about that. Why? Because you said it yourself, he is new to the game. If he's got top pair he's defintely going to call your all in bet here. If your opponent had AQ, he'd be a favorite by about 62%. In this situation, I probably would just call to see what becomes of the turn. I usually don't like to put myself in gambling situations like this, unless I'm really sure I know what my opponent has.-HoldemPokerPlyr

[Actuary]

HoldemPokerPlyr, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 7:51 PM, said:

If you push, you're going to get called, no doubt about that. Why? Because you said it yourself, he is new to the game. If he's got top pair he's defintely going to call your all in bet here. -HoldemPokerPlyr

but, uh.. he usually doesn't have top pair.fold equity mattersI kinda suck HU though

[HoldemPokerPlyr]

My reasoning is that he said he did a minraise. He probably has a decent hand and I wouldn't be suprised if he hit the queen on the board. He could've had a pocket pair, which is also a possibility.-HoldemPokerPlyr

[reedmcneal]

HoldemPokerPlyr, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 7:51 PM, said:

If you push, you're going to get called, no doubt about that. Why? Because you said it yourself, he is new to the game. If he's got top pair he's defintely going to call your all in bet here. If your opponent had AQ, he'd be a favorite by about 62%. In this situation, I probably would just call to see what becomes of the turn. I usually don't like to put myself in gambling situations like this, unless I'm really sure I know what my opponent has.-HoldemPokerPlyr

I think your dead wrong. When someone bets 3/4 of the pot after raising preflop in a HU game, I think at least 50% of the time they have nothing and are just trying to take it down. What are the odds he has TP here? A lot lower than you think IMO. I think the blinds are way too big to be putting somebody on AQ or even any pair in this situation. We have good fold equity with a push here, and I think it's the most profitable move.

[Royal_Tour]

copernicus, on Monday, July 31st, 2006, 8:36 PM, said:

then we'll have to agree to disagree,and maybe run into each other HU sometime.Ive fixed my signature to match yours, btw. ------------------------------WINNING CAPTAIN REGULAR SEASON FCP HEADS UP LEAGUE

lol.ya but my sig is accurate, You cant claim winning captain of the reg season HU league, since, well.. You arent a captain, I'm not even sure which team you're on, your name wasnt in the original drafts was it?unless your name is chaosandhavoc, i think.. ??