reraising an allin player

[Rstutsky 0]

can somebody help me out with this? look at this hand history, i really don't think i can get reraised here since the raise by the all-in player over the top of the original raiser wasn't as much as the original raise, therefore it is not a raise. do i have a beef here? by the way I am DrTroy and yeah I know I probably shouldn't be in with k9 even tho it was suited, but i didn't think i could get a reraised and i wanted to see if i could catch a big flop. NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $30+$3 (real money), #1,700,066,157 Oakland Single Table Tournament, 11 Jan 2006 8:27 PM ET Seat 1: Mimilinda1 ($2,205 in chips) Seat 2: graceivan1 ($90 in chips) Seat 6: DrTroy0 ($675 in chips) Seat 7: BallySC0 ($2,725 in chips) Seat 8: moti1128 ($1,805 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSgraceivan1 posts blind ($15), DrTroy0 posts blind ($30).PRE-FLOPBallySC0 bets $80, moti1128 calls $80, Mimilinda1 folds, graceivan1 bets $75 and is all-in, DrTroy0 calls $60, BallySC0 calls $10, moti1128 bets $1,725 and is all-in, DrTroy0 folds, BallySC0 calls $1,715.FLOP [board cards KH,5S,5D ]TURN [board cards KH,5S,5D,2D ]RIVER [board cards KH,5S,5D,2D,4S ]SHOWDOWNmoti1128 shows [ JD,AC ]graceivan1 shows [ AS,4H ]BallySC0 shows [ 10H,JS ]moti1128 wins $3,430, graceivan1 wins $360. SUMMARYDealer: Mimilinda1Pot: $3,790Mimilinda1, loses $0graceivan1, bets $90, collects $360, net $270DrTroy0, loses $90BallySC0, loses $1,805moti1128, bets $1,805, collects $3,430, net $1,625

[turd ferguson 1]

can somebody help me out with this? look at this hand history, i really don't think i can get reraised here since the raise by the all-in player over the top of the original raiser wasn't as much as the original raise, therefore it is not a raise. do i have a beef here? by the way I am DrTroy and yeah I know I probably shouldn't be in with k9 even tho it was suited, but i didn't think i could get a reraised and i wanted to see if i could catch a big flop. NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $30+$3 (real money), #1,700,066,157 Oakland Single Table Tournament, 11 Jan 2006 8:27 PM ET Seat 1: Mimilinda1 ($2,205 in chips) Seat 2: graceivan1 ($90 in chips) Seat 6: DrTroy0 ($675 in chips) Seat 7: BallySC0 ($2,725 in chips) Seat 8: moti1128 ($1,805 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSgraceivan1 posts blind ($15), DrTroy0 posts blind ($30).PRE-FLOPBallySC0 bets $80, moti1128 calls $80, Mimilinda1 folds, graceivan1 bets $75 and is all-in, DrTroy0 calls $60, BallySC0 calls $10, moti1128 bets $1,725 and is all-in, DrTroy0 folds, BallySC0 calls $1,715.FLOP [board cards KH,5S,5D ]TURN [board cards KH,5S,5D,2D ]RIVER [board cards KH,5S,5D,2D,4S ]SHOWDOWNmoti1128 shows [ JD,AC ]graceivan1 shows [ AS,4H ]BallySC0 shows [ 10H,JS ]moti1128 wins $3,430, graceivan1 wins $360. SUMMARYDealer: Mimilinda1Pot: $3,790Mimilinda1, loses $0graceivan1, bets $90, collects $360, net $270DrTroy0, loses $90BallySC0, loses $1,805moti1128, bets $1,805, collects $3,430, net $1,625

What am I missing?

[tuckermitchell 1]

can somebody help me out with this? look at this hand history, i really don't think i can get reraised here since the raise by the all-in player over the top of the original raiser wasn't as much as the original raise, therefore it is not a raise. do i have a beef here? by the way I am DrTroy and yeah I know I probably shouldn't be in with k9 even tho it was suited, but i didn't think i could get a reraised and i wanted to see if i could catch a big flop. NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $30+$3 (real money), #1,700,066,157 Oakland Single Table Tournament, 11 Jan 2006 8:27 PM ET Seat 1: Mimilinda1 ($2,205 in chips) Seat 2: graceivan1 ($90 in chips) Seat 6: DrTroy0 ($675 in chips) Seat 7: BallySC0 ($2,725 in chips) Seat 8: moti1128 ($1,805 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSgraceivan1 posts blind ($15), DrTroy0 posts blind ($30).PRE-FLOPBallySC0 bets $80, moti1128 calls $80, Mimilinda1 folds, graceivan1 bets $75 and is all-in, DrTroy0 calls $60, BallySC0 calls $10, moti1128 bets $1,725 and is all-in, DrTroy0 folds, BallySC0 calls $1,715.FLOP [board cards KH,5S,5D ]TURN [board cards KH,5S,5D,2D ]RIVER [board cards KH,5S,5D,2D,4S ]SHOWDOWNmoti1128 shows [ JD,AC ]graceivan1 shows [ AS,4H ]BallySC0 shows [ 10H,JS ]moti1128 wins $3,430, graceivan1 wins $360. SUMMARYDealer: Mimilinda1Pot: $3,790Mimilinda1, loses $0graceivan1, bets $90, collects $360, net $270DrTroy0, loses $90BallySC0, loses $1,805moti1128, bets $1,805, collects $3,430, net $1,625

What am I missing?

looks like K9 should have won there but based on what you posted it was folded

[iggymcfly 0]

He's saying that since the raise by the all-in player wasn't large enough to be a valid raise, then no one should have the option to reraise here. He's right here according to any poker rules I've ever heard of. What site was this? It looks like they've got some pretty ****ed up rules there.Oh, and to the responders, maybe you should try reading the post before you assume what it's about.

[finztotheleft 0]

LOL.....Tucker and Turd need to brush up on their reading comprehension skills !OP.... There have been many discussions here in the past that have addressed this issue. I just do what the dealer (on line) tells me and I usually play limit, so I don't know what "the rule books" say. The discussions here have said that it can differ by site/casino/rule book. Some people swear it has to be a raise of at least 1/2 a bet, some people say a whole bet, some people say any bet. So be prepared for conflicting info :wink: Try asking the online website staff or see if they have it listed in their rules/regs.

[Merby 3]

I read the HH and agree with the OP: moti1128 should not be able to reraise here.p.s. what site is this, I'll have to avoid it from now on...Cheers,Merby

[telescop 0]

This is no limit he can raise whenever he wants.Or am I crazy? Or both?

[copernicus 0]

This is no limit he can raise whenever he wants.Or am I crazy? Or both?

Ive never played anywhere that considers less than a minimum raise to reopen the betting to the last prior raiser, bettor. The reason for the minimum raise rule is to prevent a colluding player to raise a tiny amount, squeezing everyone else between him and the original raiser. It should make no difference that it was an all-in.

[shpaget 0]

This is no limit he can raise whenever he wants.Or am I crazy? Or both?

Not if you have already acted, and then the raise that follows your bet is not a full raise...in that situation you can only call.If you have not acted yet then it doesn't matter.eg. in this situation, DrTroyo could raise all-in because he hadn't acted yet, but moti1128 should not be able to because he already bet, and is now acting against a partial raise.Blinds 100/200A bets 600B bets 700 all-in (meaning his raise is not full)C callsD callsA can only call the 100, he can not reraiseHowever, C or D would be able to reraise because they are still acting against the first full bet of 600...and if they did that then A would be able to reraise.Make sense?My biggest beef with online sites is some of them let the big blind play their hand, even when sitting out...which, though unlikely, could cause an eternal loop if you had two players left in a tourney, with one sitting out, but he kept winning each time he was blinded all-in.A person is supposed to be folded, even if he is the big blind, if he is not in his seat when the second card is dealt to the button (in some casinos, the first card...in others, the 2nd card to the small blind...in others, the 2nd card to them - regardless, the end result is the same, if you're not at your seat, you don't get to play the hand, even if you're the big blind).

[Bizzle 0]

TS has a half-bet all in rule, ie if the all in is more than half of the original bet, then you can reopen the betting. If it is under half, you cannot.Note: I found this out the hard way. 100 max game, I went to 12 with KK. One caller, guy who had brought 20 to the table goes all in. I thought I had to call, so I did, and so did the other guy. Flop an ace and I fold to his bet, and he shows AJ. After the game I am chatting with the dealer while cashing out and he said "Why no reraise with the kings?" I told him the bet wasn't completed, and then I found out about the half bet rule. So not only did I get screwed by not knowing the rules, I got screwed by the previous dealer allowing him to buy in for 20 (min is 50).

[Rstutsky 0]

i forgot that i posted this but thanks for the responses. this happend on fullcontactpoker's poker room. i guess i'll email support to see what they say about it.

[Rocketwadster 0]

i forgot that i posted this but thanks for the responses. this happend on fullcontactpoker's poker room. i guess i'll email support to see what they say about it.

fo' shizzle? 8) lol - just read dn's latest blog.