53 replies to this topic

[Shimmering Wang]

This is a pretty absurd discussion.Given OP's analysis, calling is the play. If he fires the turn, and we are forced to fold, we're still fine chipwise, given the blinds/antes.If he checks, we bet the turn.I don't get it. What's the question? We don't want to play a big pot here, and if he's ahead, we'll shut down on the turn. If he catches up with a paint, we'll ALSO shut down on the turn. If he suddenly gets out of line, completely betraying our read, good for him.Wang

[Bromich]

It seems to be a blatantly obvious call. It seems obvious unless it's some sort of trick question, but I don't see how. Of course I've been wrong before and will be wrong again

[plushpoker06]

This is what people bump into all the time..I have poket 9's and the opponent(s) next to me, in my assumption, may have something better.. Pre-flop id either call or raise depending on the pairs.. But I call post flop given the fact i have pocket 9's.. After the flop, I may fold IF my opponent(s) raise higher anyways.. Because of one or two things.. An ace will hit on the turn or the river anyways and chances are slim that you can run trips or better anyways..Thank you for your time :)

[simo_8ball]

plushpoker06, on Friday, December 15th, 2006, 3:04 AM, said:

This is what people bump into all the time..I have poket 9's and the opponent(s) next to me, in my assumption, may have something better.. Pre-flop id either call or raise depending on the pairs.. But I call post flop given the fact i have pocket 9's.. After the flop, I may fold IF my opponent(s) raise higher anyways.. Because of one or two things.. An ace will hit on the turn or the river anyways and chances are slim that you can run trips or better anyways..Thank you for your time

I think, raise in the flop with pocket 9's will be the possibility of higher pair. But the 9's are on the river possibility, I might check for fear of the trap. Do agree of with playing poker analysis?

[blakheart]

call and reeavluate on the turn. You are most likely ahead, and a raise to $3000 may get called by an iferior hand (AK etc.). I think you get just as good of info by taking one off and seeing what villian does on the turn as you do by raising, and it is cheaper information.

[AceofSpader]

My intuition is telling me to raise to see my position in hand strength.If opponent has any hand at all, I normally have them bet before I do so I can suck them in.Depending on the hand that I have.JJ would definately make me raise.Done it many a times.AoS

[Acid_Knight]

I would call here given that the OP's analysis included the bit of information that there is likely to be only ONE continuation bet.Also, DN mentioned in a his most recent blog that:"People often ask me for "one tip" that should help change their game. Well, if I had just one shot, I think this would be it: in order to win a WPT event you can't be afraid to let them catch up, even if that means they outdraw you sometimes."I think this is about minimizing losses. Raising to 2500 (or 3K, which is basically the same) will protect your hand, but it will cost you 2.5 to 3 times as many chips if he does actually have a hand. You're not really risking that much by just calling and letting him draw to his 6 outs (if he's behind) for free. If you know that he's unlikely to fire 2 bullets with nothing, then I think smooth calling here is far and away the best play.I think if I have JT it definitely changes the scenario. Now I can know that I am beating all PPs smaller than Jacks, except for the 4s and 7s, and that hands that have a J in them are less likely. Based on the villain's range, it shouldn't make that much of a difference, but every bit counts.

[copernicus]

You are a coin flip favorite to be ahead. His cb gives you no additional information.You are WA/WB at this point and that calls for keeping the pot small, so you are certainly not going to raise. Since you are a favorite in the hand, you arent going to fold, especially since his turn action is going to tell you whether you should play further..ie you arent likely to make a mistake on the turn. Call and see what his turn action is, value bet if he doesnt show strength, fold if he does.

[thapokerdon9]

I would have to say that raising 3000 would be the best option here to get a better definition of the villian's hand. Smooth calling presents too many problems because your still not sure where your at in the hand plus it gives villian a chance to hit one of the two overcards he's probably holding. Plus if you only call and your opponent has two overs he's not going to bet again unless he hits. I only like smooth calling to build a pot but this opponent is only going to bet again on the turn if hes building a pot for himself. I say with a hand thats as vulnerable in this spot I would raise the 3000 to find out where I was but also hopefully to take the pot down here because I feel its likely I have the best hand.

[CBass1724]

Easiest quiz question ever!You obviously shove all in and pray for a call because you know the 9 is coming on the river.Duh.

[MychCumstien]

This sounds like an easy call. Especially if he usually doesn't fire another bullet on the turn. $1000 to call $2500, getting 2.5 to 1 on my money. I don't like raising here, as I still don't have much information as to where I'm at. Plus I like the sage old advice "miss the set, don't bet". While raising is definitely an option to define my hand and see where I'm at, I would prefer smooth calling (folding isn't much of an option) here, keeping the pot small and see where I'm at on the turn. If I had JT, I would raise here with top pair, to potentially knock him off higher unpaired cards that could beat me on the turn.

[boggzilla]

DanielNegreanu, on Monday, November 27th, 2006, 7:17 PM, said:

Blinds: 100-200 no anteYour Stack: 10,000Villian Stack: 10,000 Villian (I'm learning :-) raises to 600 from EP. You know that he won't raise from that position with small suited connectors. You put him on the following range of hands:-Pocket Pair-A J or better-KQ You are next to the button with 99 and call. All others fold.Flop: J 7 4 Villian bets 1000. You know that Villian will likely make a continuation bet with any of the hands he has. You also know that the player is unlikely to fire any more bullets at the pot unless he has a hand.

If he is unlikely to fire turn unless he has a hand then why raise? Unless you think he will fold a better hand? I treat is as a float. It is a pretty dry flop so call and bet the turn for value?

[Appleman]

I'd smooth call. If he is unlikely to fire another bullet if he doesnt have it what good is it too reraise and risk more chips when you can get the answer you want by calling and seeing if he fires on the turn.

[Mercury69]

Smooth call and see another card. If he fires again, you can raise or fold depending on the board texture.