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[Indig0]

Pot Odds RAC, on 11 June 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

Why would you think that anyone could be a good poker player?

think everyone can be good in every sport with practice, everyone can be good at marketing, administration, engineering with learning, why not everyone can be good at poker with practice, learning and improving the game.I mean its not about luck its about skill

[TweetTweet]

Indig0, on 11 June 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

think everyone can be good in every sport with practice, everyone can be good at marketing, administration, engineering with learning, why not everyone can be good at poker with practice, learning and improving the game.I mean its not about luck its about skill

In my opinion, I disagree with the bolded above - I believe there is a small percentage of luck involved in poker - there's no absolute guarantee that your skilled self is going to win 100 % of the time (you saw it yourself when you lost with AA vs another hand, there's no guarantees no matter how skilled a player you may be).It's not the same as a set lottery number where it is what it is and you win if those same numbers are drawn, therefore...that being said;....whilst everyone can be good at anything they set their minds to (as per the examples you mentioned in your post) - not everyone is going to be a "winning" player and no offense but your examples are not good ones, since those are skills in trades and shouldn't be grouped into a category with poker players (not even close to the same thing).Ask yourself this question : "Would you be able to still live well, if you were to go broke this instance?" If you answer no, then poker playing for a living is definitely not for you.

[HighwayStar]

Luck manifests itself over the long term. Some random 2 outer, even ten 2 outers in a row means jackshit in the long term and is really nothing to worry OR complain about. If your bankroll can't handle that, you don't have a big enough bankroll. Over the timespan of a year (say 1 million hands or 50000 sngs), the difference between two equally skilled players $ winnings can be a hell of a lot, that is the element of luck, and it can be pretty large depending on the game played.Where luck plays more of a factor over a small sample of hands is tournaments. In tournaments winning or losing 4 flips deep in a big tournaments could be the difference between a breakeven year and a $200k year, which is why they are damned silly.I do think anyone can win at poker, but very few will ever take the necessary steps to do so. It is probably mostly a result of the environment/mindset they play in. Perhaps this is the same as saying that not everyone can win. I think someone who seeks out a poker forum and asks questions is on the right track to success. 95% of people never will, maybe if they were forced to they would have a hope. It is also by no means the only thing someone needs to do to win.

[Indig0]

TweetTweet, on 11 June 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

In my opinion, I disagree with the bolded above - I believe there is a small percentage of luck involved in poker - there's no absolute guarantee that your skilled self is going to win 100 % of the time (you saw it yourself when you lost with AA vs another hand, there's no guarantees no matter how skilled a player you may be).It's not the same as a set lottery number where it is what it is and you win if those same numbers are drawn, therefore...that being said;....whilst everyone can be good at anything they set their minds to (as per the examples you mentioned in your post) - not everyone is going to be a "winning" player and no offense but your examples are not good ones, since those are skills in trades and shouldn't be grouped into a category with poker players (not even close to the same thing).Ask yourself this question : "Would you be able to still live well, if you were to go broke this instance?" If you answer no, then poker playing for a living is definitely not for you.

of course its about luck too. but if a good player can loose big part of his stack in a bad beat, bad player can loose entire stack even if he is drawing dead

[Indig0]

HighwayStar, on 11 June 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Luck manifests itself over the long term. Some random 2 outer, even ten 2 outers in a row means jackshit in the long term and is really nothing to worry OR complain about. If your bankroll can't handle that, you don't have a big enough bankroll. Over the timespan of a year (say 1 million hands or 50000 sngs), the difference between two equally skilled players $ winnings can be a hell of a lot, that is the element of luck, and it can be pretty large depending on the game played.Where luck plays more of a factor over a small sample of hands is tournaments. In tournaments winning or losing 4 flips deep in a big tournaments could be the difference between a breakeven year and a $200k year, which is why they are damned silly.I do think anyone can win at poker, but very few will ever take the necessary steps to do so. It is probably mostly a result of the environment/mindset they play in. Perhaps this is the same as saying that not everyone can win. I think someone who seeks out a poker forum and asks questions is on the right track to success. 95% of people never will, maybe if they were forced to they would have a hope. It is also by no means the only thing someone needs to do to win.

how about mindset to be the best in poker. Not exactly to have biggest cash earnings but be the best. To read people(tells) and figure it out what to do in every situations and to show to everyone that anyone can improve his game and its not about luck

[FARGOpokerND]

Man, Phil, what's gotten into you?!Good posts buddy!

[bauss]

Yes you should follow bankroll management, and stop playing zoom poker. It's harder to pick up tells, and harder to make money because of that. You may run good while playing zoom poker, but your bound to take some beats.