Packin' Heat

[Zealous Donkey 0]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stor...ewCommentAnchorAuthorities in Ohio say Winston was shot and killed Wednesday after he barged into a hotel room with a gun demanding money. There were six people in the room and they’d left the door open to the first-floor room so the adults in the room could stay within earshot of two girls in the room next door.One of the people in the room, a 70-year-old at-grandmother, reached into her purse on the floor, pulled out a .357-caliber Magnum pistol and shot Winston once in the chest, the newspaper reported.Winston stumbled into the parking lot, where he was later pronounced dead.

[Mercury69 3]

lol...Can a 70 year old woman really absorb the recoil of a .357 Magnum?That being said, it's likely the perp deserved at least that one round to the chest. Fucking guy was scum.

[Balloon guy 158]

I always thought the Mexican's got him.Or Chigurh did before the Mexican's showed up.I just don't get it

[JoeyJoJo 18]

I always thought the Mexican's got him.Or Chigurh did before the Mexican's showed up.I just don't get it

Heh. I really think we need to know what the sheriff did when he showed up.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Here's somebody else in Ohio who was packing heat.http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/63880292.html

[Sal Paradise 57]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stor...ewCommentAnchor

http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/63880292.html

ah, both excellent examples of guns' invaluable contributions to the aiding of natural selection.

[Mercury69 3]

Here's somebody else in Ohio who was packing heat.http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/63880292.html

I hope she got the dishes done...But, seriously, it's an ugly situation, perhaps emblematic of the current State of the Union. I mean, when a soccer mom and avowed gun advocate gets her permit revoked, sues the sheriff for $1 mil and then gets shot several times in a murder suicide by her PAROLE OFFICER husband, what does this really say about the American judicial system in general and gun advocacy in particular? What a mess.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

Here's somebody else in Ohio who was packing heat.http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/63880292.html

Bob, just so i don't have to speculate, why did you post this link. Are you trying to make a point?

[Zealous Donkey 0]

ah, both excellent examples of guns' invaluable contributions to the aiding of natural selection.

Damn it, why can't I ever come up with a post like this one. I have been thinking for 20 minutes how best to respond the link FCPbob posted. And right after i post my impotent inquiry to gain clarification I read this post by Sal. The most perfect post one could make. Short to the point and capturing everything I wanted to convey and with humor to boot. nh sir

[Mercury69 3]

Damn it, why can't I ever come up with a post like this one. I have been thinking for 20 minutes how best to respond the link FCPbob posted. And right after i post my impotent inquiry to gain clarification I read this post by Sal. The most perfect post one could make. Short to the point and capturing everything I wanted to convey and with humor to boot. nh sir

He had the nuts and shoved the flop...What can ya say?

[CaneBrain 95]

Bob, just so i don't have to speculate, why did you post this link. Are you trying to make a point?

If he is, I hope it's along the lines of: "in both situations people died and guns made it easier....I dont know if we should be celebrating that." What was the point of your original link? That all theives deserve to die so thank the lord for guns?I have made my peace with the fact that Americans irrationally love guns and there are so many of them in this country already that the idea that gun control could ever work is fantasy. That does not change the fact that guns really only have one purpose....to kill people. And while it is kind of amusing to imagine granny blowing a guy away with a .357 (of all things!) I dont think there is much good in a situation where two people had guns and one died.As Bob showed, there are enough situations already where one person has a gun and multiple people die.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Bob, just so i don't have to speculate, why did you post this link. Are you trying to make a point?

If he is, I hope it's along the lines of: "in both situations people died and guns made it easier....I dont know if we should be celebrating that." What was the point of your original link? That all theives deserve to die so thank the lord for guns?I have made my peace with the fact that Americans irrationally love guns and there are so many of them in this country already that the idea that gun control could ever work is fantasy. That does not change the fact that guns really only have one purpose....to kill people. And while it is kind of amusing to imagine granny blowing a guy away with a .357 (of all things!) I dont think there is much good in a situation where two people had guns and one died.As Bob showed, there are enough situations already where one person has a gun and multiple people die.

CaneBrain pretty much hit it on the head.Guns don't kill people. People kill people but guns make it so much easier.Don't want to get into a whole gun control debate but do want people to think a little bit.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

CaneBrain pretty much hit it on the head.Guns don't kill people. People kill people but guns make it so much easier.Don't want to get into a whole gun control debate but do want people to think a little bit.

I appreciate the prompting to think about guns. Man, do I love me some guns.

[Mercury69 3]

I appreciate the prompting to think about guns. Man, do I love me some guns.

Patrick Bateman would be pleased with yuor grroming...

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

i'll take it.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

I appreciate the prompting to think about guns. Man, do I love me some guns.

It's all about balance.I belonged to the Scarborough Rifle Club years ago. I didn't own a gun but I used the club's guns to target shoot at the indoor range. It wasn't a place to go blasting as the only guns allowed were single shot target pistols and rifles.Our overzealous city council who are the left wing Socialists that Right Wing Americans wrongly accuse many of being passed a bylaw that no gun ranges are allowed in the City and the club has since closed.Packing a gun on your hip to go to your kid's soccer game = stupid.Passing a bylaw that means that people can't target shoot single shot 22's to make a statement about how guns are bad = equally stupid.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

wait, you're not a left wing socialist? I understood your point and agree, I just like that picture a lot.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

If he is, I hope it's along the lines of: "in both situations people died and guns made it easier....I dont know if we should be celebrating that." What was the point of your original link? That all theives deserve to die so thank the lord for guns?I have made my peace with the fact that Americans irrationally love guns and there are so many of them in this country already that the idea that gun control could ever work is fantasy. That does not change the fact that guns really only have one purpose....to kill people. And while it is kind of amusing to imagine granny blowing a guy away with a .357 (of all things!) I dont think there is much good in a situation where two people had guns and one died.As Bob showed, there are enough situations already where one person has a gun and multiple people die.

Yes, I am happy the guy in the link I posted died. I am glad Granny was packing heat in this situation. (thought I still wonder if everything actually went down as reported). I wasn't celebrating anything accept justice being served in this one case. To answer your question again, yes, he deserved to die.I don't own a gun, nor I am against all forms of gun control. I asked the question because I wanted to see if I heard the same ridiculous statements from most liberals on the subject. And on cue a couple have piped up.

[colonel Feathers 5]

When someone gets in your face witha gun and demands money, he is in effect saying, give me your money or you will die.So yes, he definetly deserved to die himself.

[David_Nicoson 1]

What was the point of your original link? That all theives deserve to die so thank the lord for guns?

It was a robber, not a thief. To judge the morality of allowing the woman to arm herself and of her decision to kill the robber, it's important to note that he threatened force.

[CaneBrain 95]

It was a robber, not a thief. To judge the morality of allowing the woman to arm herself and of her decision to kill the robber, it's important to note that he threatened force.

I am not judging the morality.....but I am not celebrating the result either. It's sad that we have come to this point when so many of our allies have figured out ways to curb gun violence. (And I know you probably have a more firsthand view on the subject than most)Zealous, I fundamentally disagree with you that he deserved to die. Therefore, I suppose my statements might seem ridiculous to you. Just don't think that your thoughts on the matter are not equally ridiculous to me.Also you have two people in this thread who responded to you neither of whom advocated strengthening gun control laws. I am not sure you have a handle on the typical liberal position on guns.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

I am not judging the morality.....but I am not celebrating the result either. It's sad that we have come to this point when so many of our allies have figured out ways to curb gun violence. (And I know you probably have a more firsthand view on the subject than most)Zealous, I fundamentally disagree with you that he deserved to die. Therefore, I suppose my statements might seem ridiculous to you. Just don't think that your thoughts on the matter are not equally ridiculous to me.Also you have two people in this thread who responded to you neither of whom advocated strengthening gun control laws. I am not sure you have a handle on the typical liberal position on guns.

I had to leave before I finished posting. For the second time, I am not celebrating anything either, and yes I beleive your comments about Americans irrationally loving guns is typical liberal babble. (then again we do celebrate are independence by allowing children to handle explosives-- so you may have a point). Like Bob said, I really don't want to get into a gun control debate, in fact I agree with his post except where he says he agrees with you. And I believe Bob in his post indirectly pointed out another use for guns besides killing people. Though even if most are designed to kill people, so what? In this world you have to defend yourself and your family from bad people. Just out of curiousity what did the guy deserve? I am not being flippant, I really want to know what you think. Fundementally, I probably agree that we shouldn't wish for people to get "what they have coming" because if applied the same standard to ourselves.. well lets just say it could get ugly for most of us. I don't understand your response, you seem to have more a problem with me than a guy that tried to rob a family at gunpoint. (another typical liberal response)

[strategy 4]

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[Zealous Donkey 0]

different cultures etc.pretty sure you're off your rocker here

Fine. Then what point was he making? If I don't have a grasp of the liberal position then I would like to be enlightened. I have said earlier I agree with FCPBobs "balance" point. 2 things I didn't get.1. That Americans irrationally love their guns. So if you support the 2nd amendment you are irrational? Not what he was saying? Not the liberal point of view? 2. He made a point to say that he didn't think a guy who tried to rob 6 people at gunpoint deserved to die. I would like to understand what point he was making.

[CaneBrain 95]

Fine. Then what point was he making? If I don't have a grasp of the liberal position then I would like to be enlightened. I have said earlier I agree with FCPBobs "balance" point. 2 things I didn't get.1. That Americans irrationally love their guns. So if you support the 2nd amendment you are irrational? Not what he was saying? Not the liberal point of view? 2. He made a point to say that he didn't think a guy who tried to rob 6 people at gunpoint deserved to die. I would like to understand what point he was making.

1. Many citizens of this country go well beyond supporting the 2nd amendment to an almost fetishization (word?) of guns. The family in Bob's link did not have a gun or two for protection. They had like 10 different guns. Why does anyone need 10 guns? Frankly, I think a lot of gun people just like shooting stuff and think guns are cool. It's not just about self defense. We have numerous magazines dedicated to guns. Americans love guns. Love em! I think it is irrational. But even I think certain guns are cool. Maybe it's in our DNA.2. I honestly can't get what you are not understanding here. I do not think a man who tried to rob 6 people at gunpoint deserves to die. It's, um, that simple. Cool fact: our justice system agrees with me. Assault or robbery with a deadly weapon is not punishable by death. Who knew. Of course, if you commit a crime with a weapon, you take the chance that someone else might defend themself. But making your own bed is not the same as deserving to die. I am perfectly content with the fact that we don't use capital punishment for anything but the absolute worst crimes.