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2/5 Hand, Was This As Bad As I Think?


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So my very first hand, there is some unknown to my right. I pretty much have seen everyone who plays at this club, but this guy, he is new. He has a 900 stck, other than that, i know nothing about him. While waiting for button to past me, i've seen him raise 5 limpers from sb to 5bb with 77. So, this happens, i'm one off the button. 2 limpers, he raises to 20, i 3 bet to 60 with a/k suited spades, limpers and blinds fold, he calls. Flop is q 9 3 rainbow (1 spade), and he donk bets 175. Since i'm not familiar with him, i fold. About a round later, this hand occurs. In the hands that passed, he seemed to be a loose aggressive type, though, not enough hands to be sure. I'm 1 off the button again.MP calls $5 (stack is $200-300)Villain calls $5 (stack is close to a G)Hero calls $5 with 9 :5c 10 :3h ($430)SB calls $3 (stack is $300-400)BB checks (stack is $500ish)Flop $2210 :club: 6 :ts 5 :qh SB checksBB checksMP checks Villain bets $25Hero calls $25SB foldsBB foldsMP foldsTurn $727 :4h Villain bets $25Hero raises to $100Villain calls $75River $272A :jh Villain goes all in for $300Hero???This line didnt make no sense. It seemed so much like a busted flush draw. If he had a big hand, why go all in and fold out every single marginal hand??? I kept thinking about our previous hand as well...maybe he felt he could push me off, or I was trying to outplay him...Another thing i was worried about was whether he was turning his hand into a bluff, but his hand was actually good, like 10/J or better.I dont think if he made aces up, he'd go all in...also, if he caught an ace with his flush draw, he'd try to get to showdown...Anyone here find a reason to call? Other thoughts on the other streets?I've been posting too many hands lately...i'll chill for a bit after this one...

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I'd probably fold the flop. With a limped pot and several opponents, your pair isn't going to look good by the river. I like your raise on the turn (although I might make it bigger), because his bet looks weak and you have ways to improve.I don't know about the river. I'd lean toward fold. Look into his soul or something.

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I've been posting too many hands lately...i'll chill for a bit after this one...
I think it's great. Keep 'em coming.
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I'd probably fold the flop. With a limped pot and several opponents, your pair isn't going to look good by the river. I like your raise on the turn (although I might make it bigger), because his bet looks weak and you have ways to improve.I don't know about the river. I'd lean toward fold. Look into his soul or something.
So u can see a call here sometimes right? I mean, it's not entirely nuts right?
I think it's great. Keep 'em coming.
cool cool..as long as they ain't too basic for y'all.
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snap call
what in gods green earth do we beat, try a snap fold,...
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We beat every missed draw there was on the flop (edit: except 34). There aren't too many ways for villain to have an Ace here... AT, or Axdd. If he had one of those hands, why would he lead shove an obvious scare card?

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We beat every missed draw there was on the flop (edit: except 34). There aren't too many ways for villain to have an Ace here... AT, or Axdd. If he had one of those hands, why would he lead shove an obvious scare card?
Right? I'm glad i'm not the only one thinking this isn't an auto fold..This is what I couldn' get over.....i'd believe him more if he had made it 175 or something....i think 34 would have shoved over me on the turn...and a set/straight would try to get value right? i mean, what does he put me on too...unless he has the absolute nuts and he thinks i have second nuts or set, his shove doesnt make any sense at all...Doesn't it seem like a desperate bluff attempt?
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and a set/straight would try to get value right? i mean, what does he put me on too...unless he has the absolute nuts and he thinks i have second nuts or set, his shove doesnt make any sense at all...
Not only that but it would most likely repop you on the turn a good portion of the time
what in gods green earth do we beat, try a snap fold,...
Try to figure out what the villain is doing here... and remember... the breakeven point is 1 in 3
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Not only that but it would most likely repop you on the turn a good portion of the timeTry to figure out what the villain is doing here... and remember... the breakeven point is 1 in 3
what do u mean by this exactly?...sorry
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what do u mean by this exactly?...sorry
well it's a little less than that... because there's only 272 in the pot to the villains slight 300 overshoveBut say we play this hand 3 times1st hand villain shows up with turned straight. Loss of 300 on the call2nd hand villain LOL shows up with Ax diamons. Loss of 300 on the call3rd hand villain has a busted frush draw that's total air. Gain of roughly 600 on the call.So basically... even if the villain has a made hand 60ish percent of the time, we still profit calling
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well it's a little less than that... because there's only 272 in the pot to the villains slight 300 overshoveBut say we play this hand 3 times1st hand villain shows up with turned straight. Loss of 300 on the call2nd hand villain LOL shows up with Ax diamons. Loss of 300 on the call3rd hand villain has a busted frush draw that's total air. Gain of roughly 600 on the call.So basically... even if the villain has a made hand 60ish percent of the time, we still profit calling
gotcha...i knew it related to pot odds....i want to say the outcome, but i want hear more responses...this hand got a lot of reaction from the table..and it was on my mind for the rest of the night..
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gotcha...i knew it related to pot odds....i want to say the outcome, but i want hear more responses...this hand got a lot of reaction from the table..and it was on my mind for the rest of the night..
That's the other thing I should probably mention... Live games are often prone to changing drastically from a single wacky hand. So even if the call is slightly losing (which I don't think it is) you gain tremendous meta when you do show down the winning hand. First off... almost no one present for the hand will try to run a bluff on you the rest of the evening... second off, if the villain reloads you can be fairly positive that money is being shipped around the table in the near future
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also, does anyone think that once he calls my turn raise, that my 10/9 is any good? if you pretend river doesnt happen...just up to the turn...
Depends on the river card and action... but you certainly can't value bet unless you bink the straight
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I would put his ranges like this:30% - 2 pair or better, including straights and sets10% - a busted draw, which caught an ace30% - a busted draw, with no pair30% - 1 pair hand on the flop, which hasn't improvedthis look right? and does calling with the above in mind make it profitable?**edit: it would be profitable, since 40% of the time i would be winning...unless the 1 pair hand is 10/J, 10/Q, or 10/K...10 combos i beat are 10/8 only...so in that case, the 40% would probably be lower, around 35%...so 35% of the time I win, 65% of the time i lose.....calling would be +EV?

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it's close...depends on how he plays his one pair hands. Most people wouldn't shove w/one pair here (ace from the NFD or a better ten), so I can definitely see a call.
u agree with my percentages/ranges?
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I don't agree or disagree; I don't know and neither do you. When you don't know anything about someone, you have to guess what he's doing. Like it's very possible that this player is a bluffer, and the times that he has a missed draw is fairly high. It's also possible that he is a thin value better, and he's able to shove a pair of aces here (or maybe aces up, like Ad7d) knowing that his line looks FOS and that you'll call. Or he's a passive kind of player who made aces up and wants to just move all-in, and he wouldn't ever bluff a missed draw. Like you're giving him 30% to a "one pair hand" that hasn't improved; that means he's able to turn his one pair hand into a bluff. I really doubt that 30% of the time someone does that, as it's a fairly advanced move. imo most players are incapable of that move, and because they don't overplay one pair (aces) like this, I'd lean toward assigning him big hands (that just want to put the money in) and bluffs. Enough bluffs to make a call profitable? Don't know, only one way to find out (or to start finding out...) :)I guess I do disagree w/the ranges :club:

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you really think he is calling the turn to bluff the river??? i mean your the one with the reads so only you can answer this, but when an aggro villain starts just calling i get pretty scared to be honest bc it is usually out of character

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