bigger balls than stephen colbert

[screech 0]

Haven't played much poker lately. I'm a bit rusty, but I find I think a lot clearer at the table. Don't know how clearly I was thinking this hand though. Lemme know what you think.BB is 26/13/1.8. A little loose pf, but plays reasonably well postflop.MP loves to call.I have A J in CO.PRE-FLOPUTG limps, 2 folds, MP limps, I raise, Button cold-calls, Blinds call, limpers call.FLOP [5 10 6 ] (12sb)BB bets, 2 folds, MP calls, I call, button callsTURN [Q ] (8bb)BB bets, MP calls, I call, button foldsRIVER [A ] (11bb)BB hesitates for a second then bets, MP calls, I raise intending on folding to a 3-bet.

[Actuary 3]

you have to 3-bet that turn.fold river when your flush is counterfeited.

[Guest Zach6668]

Am I the only one who doesn't see the starting hand here?Screech is rusty at posting too.

[Sysvr4 0]

I fold this preflop.Jeff

[bdams19 0]

you shouldnt be putting money in the pot without hole cards

[kdogg 0]

If your opponents don't have hole cards either, raise the river.

[bdams19 0]

if your reason for posting this was to raise the river to fold both hands regardless of hole cards, I don't think this play is going to work. I think pretty much any heart here isnt folding.

[screech 0]

I'm an idiot.Hole cards are now posted.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I think raise/folding the river sounds good. Looks like there's a good chance BB has the T (although Khxh is reasonable as well), and if he's a little loose he probably calls with it. Plus, as you said, MP loves to call. And I doubt you're getting an overcall from button if you just call. I really doubt you need to worry at all about getting 3-bet by a worse hand.

[GamblinLeaf 0]

Anyone else raise the flop, hoping to blow away the button and see the river for free?

[AlphaOmega 0]

Anyone else raise the flop, hoping to blow away the button and see the river for free?

This wouldn't be so marginal if we had good relative position to the BB to do this. With the caller stuck in the middle, the pot is more protected and we have less of a chance of getting a free card, not to mention that our equity is poo-poo versus a lead and call considering the board and pre-flop action.

[screech 0]

I think raise/folding the river sounds good.  Looks like there's a good chance BB has the T  (although Khxh is reasonable as well), and if he's a little loose he probably calls with it.  Plus, as you said, MP loves to call.  And I doubt you're getting an overcall from button if you just call.  I really doubt you need to worry at all about getting 3-bet by a worse hand.

Cool.I guess this is a pretty easy raise since I ****ed up the actoin on the turn. Button folded.

[screech 0]

I think raise/folding the river sounds good.  Looks like there's a good chance BB has the T  (although Khxh is reasonable as well), and if he's a little loose he probably calls with it.  Plus, as you said, MP loves to call.  And I doubt you're getting an overcall from button if you just call.  I really doubt you need to worry at all about getting 3-bet by a worse hand.

Cool.I guess this is a pretty easy raise since I ****ed up the actoin on the turn. Button folded.

[looshle 6]

I don't think theres a huge difference between calling or raising the river but I think if you are going to raise it, you force yourself into calling a 3 bet.

[speedz99 145]

I don't think theres a huge difference between calling or raising the river but I think if you are going to raise it, you force yourself into calling a 3 bet.

That was my initial thought. Can you really fold the second nuts getting 18-1?

[econ_tim 0]

is it just me, or do you have the second nuts on the river?with two opponents, i think you have a clear raise

[screech 0]

I don't think theres a huge difference between calling or raising the river but I think if you are going to raise it, you force yourself into calling a 3 bet.

I have the 2nd nuts. No way the T ever 3-bets this river. Not even 1 in 50 times.

[Actuary 3]

I have the 2nd nuts. No way the T ever 3-bets this river. Not even 1 in 50 times.

I'm late to the critique here.. but that is a ridiculous statement

[Sysvr4 0]

I have the 2nd nuts. No way the T ever 3-bets this river. Not even 1 in 50 times.

I think at this level, you're right, the T doesn't 3-bet. The real question is how often does the 2-T call your raise.Jeff

[Actuary 3]

I have the 2nd nuts. No way the T ever 3-bets this river. Not even 1 in 50 times.

I think at this level, you're right, the T doesn't 3-bet. The real question is how often does the 2-T call your raise.Jeff

I missed it.What level?they stop making plays that would fold Screech in this huge pot at what level?I know I know..he expects you to call so it's never a bluff... and villan will not over play his hand after you wake up here..I know I know...1/50 .. :roll:

[Sysvr4 0]

I missed it.What level?

Screech typically plays 3/6 and 5/10. I assumed this hand was the same.

they stop making plays that would fold Screech in this huge pot at what level?

I think you have it backwards. I think they start making a 3-bet bluff at a higher level.

I know I know..he expects you to call so it's never a bluff... and villan will not over play his hand after you wake up here..I know I know...1/50 .. :roll:

I'm sure there's sarcasm in there, but you may have used more than the recipe called for since I can't make out your meaning :)Jeff

[screech 0]

Jeff pretty much covered all of actuary's questions. It was 5/10, and yes, I think that I will get 3-bet here by a worse hand more often at higher, more aggressive levels. I still don't think it ever happens often enough to call a 3-bet.And yeah, I was being sarcastic with that 1/50 thing. I think it's closer to 1/100 times.

[Guest Zach6668]

I don't think theres a huge difference between calling or raising the river but I think if you are going to raise it, you force yourself into calling a 3 bet.

I have the 2nd nuts. No way the T ever 3-bets this river. Not even 1 in 50 times.

Happened to me yesterday. Except I had the Ace, board had a couple broadway cards on it, and he had like the Ten. He had 3rd or 4th nuts. He 3-bet me. I capped, he called and showed. I laughed. No way I fold this river.Raise/call.

[Actuary 3]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is CO with A:spade:, Q:heart:. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.Flop: (13 SB) K:spade:, 7:spade:, 3:club: (4 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.Turn: (6.50 BB) 5:spade: (4 players)SB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.River: (12.50 BB) Q:spade: (3 players)SB checks, MP1 all in ($3.50), SB calls.SB: SLP/P, MP1 LA/semi-Agg 200+ hands on eachI threaded this elsewhere..SB had 99, with the 9sSo, I'm kinda biased against that 1/50..or even 1/(whatever your pot would be.)

[Sysvr4 0]

River: (12.50 BB) Q:spade: (3 players)SB checks' date=' MP1 all in ($3.50)Oh, very very nice time to go for the overcall. I might have mindlessly raised there, vn.Jeff