aussiedonk 0 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 GuysHelp cheer me up.My roll atm is around $5K. Yesterday I finished 2nd in a Step 6. I lost two flips with the other guy all in for the win. $12,500 for 1st, I got $1,500 for 2nd.So basically lost 2 flips for an amount that is double my roll. I am finding it hard to get over this. It's not just the money - I've cashed a lot out over the past few months. I am just finding it hard to grind now in the face of that flip.So who has a similar story. Obv Fluffdog has a super sick one - anyone else? Link to post Share on other sites
jcashx36x 0 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 hey bro just keep at it, your a sick player and your time is coming vsoon. i can feel it!! Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 It's not just the money - I've cashed a lot out over the past few months. I am just finding it hard to grind now in the face of that flip.here is a great post that acid knight came across the other day that can help during those periods.Originally Posted by abominableHere's your problem. You don't have the fortitude, nor bankroll, nor temperment, to be a casino. A casino is a big ol' building, where people's dreams might possibly come true. Especially if you own the building.Casinos get rich, expand a whole city, and get richer, by offering bets where the casino has a two or three percent advantage. But the bets have to be offered, have to be wagered, a million times. Roulette, for instance: red or black, odd or even, high or low, the house has a 5.25% advantage on all but one bet on the layout.Will the customer occasionally have a streak? Of course. A full third of the customers that evening will actually have a winning night. The casino doesn't care. You, of course, would be willing to walk in front of a truck. Will one drunken guy actually make several thousand dollars, having started with twenty bucks? Of course. The casino doesn't care. You, by the way, will not even walk out looking for the truck, you will put a bullet in your brain, right there at the table. The casino is right, and you are not right. "correct mathmatically" might be a better term than "right".You think, apparently, that when you have a winning hand, and the 'customer' is drawing to a flush on the river, You've Got Him Nailed. You don't. You have only created a situation where you have four times the advantage that a casino has. You have a situation where it's 80-20 that you're going to win.Now I want you to work really, really hard on this, because you haven't yet. If it's 80-20 for you, how many times out of a hundred can we predict that the 'customer' will hit his flush? The answer is twenty times out of a hundred. ('Grab that man. Don't let him dash toward the highway'.)Can the 'customer' have a streak of winners? You bet he can. ('Grab that revolver'). He might hit several in a row.Why do you care? (Because you're an idiot). No, it's because you haven't given it the appropriate amount of thought, and because you're not bankrolled well, and because you care about the outcome, and you should not care.You should have enough in your bankroll that you can offer the 'customer' his flush draw about a hundred times a day. You want him (assuming he's dumb enough: but you're right, there are millions of 'em) to call your bet, and shoot for his flush draw. 80-20 in your favor, if he's betting on the river, 60-40 in your favor if he's betting on the turn (and, you get to charge him MORE for the river, if he's not all in).If he wins his bet, and you're smart enough to be a casino, you should comp him: buy him a few drinks, compliment that ugly date he brought with him, buy him dinner if you have to, but keep him right there, making his bet over, and over, again.But not you: you are involved. You are worried. You are so upset that he won one, or ten, of those bets. But the fact is, if that happens a thousand times (that bet where you are 80-20), you will be a rich man. You should be grateful, when you have put the 'customer' in a postion where you offer an 80-20 proposition, and he takes you up on it.Here's what you should do: change your attitude. Play standard poker. Lose your emotion. You don't care about this bet, or the next one. You just want the guy to keep playing, if he's going to keep playing at the odds you're offering. Charge him for his longshot bet. He'll pay? He'll go for it? OUTSTANDING.......Grind it out. (They call it that, for a reason). Lose your personal involvement with one hand, or one session. If you're playing right, the money, in smaller amounts, will roll in. (Not in larger amounts: you're not entitled to larger amounts. When your opponent bets his flush draw and loses, you didn't win the whole amount. You won the whole amount LESS the fact that one out of five times you're going to lose, and thus give some back. But believe me, there will be plenty left over.)Quit caring about your results. Play standard poker. If you're doing it right, the money will roll in.Play standard poker. If you're doing it right, you're offering the customer bets where your advantage is four times that which built Las Vegas. Do it all day long. All week long. All year long. Grind it out. Link to post Share on other sites
Image17 0 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Just trolling around and found the above quote. Coming off a horrible 0 for 19 streak complete with the requisite number of mind boggling beats (like flopped tight losing to quads, etc), the quote reads especially true. I needed to read this and just be able to continue to beleive that it's all just one long session. Thanks guys. Link to post Share on other sites
ricardob 0 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 That post is so well tought out and written that even if it wasn't true I would believe in it. Good thing it is true...I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I have a similar situation from yesterday in tournament I played. 6 players left. $2300 for 1st, 2nd place gets $1,600, 3rd gets $1,000. 6th place get $300.I have 1/4 of the chips in play, in 1st place with 275K out of 1.1 Million chips in playQQ<88, after someone said they folded Q-8 pre-flop.AA<97s, they river straight.AT<77. First two cards on flop are A-T, third is 7. Out in 6th place for $300, but I felt like I lost so much more. At least you only lost two flips. You would be PISSED if you lost two 80-20 and then a coinflip to go from 1st in chips with 6 left, to 6th place. BULLSH!T Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Don't be so down in the didgeridoo, mate! I wish I had a BR like yours!Keep up the solid play and you should get rewarded. Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I have a similar situation from yesterday in tournament I played. 6 players left. $2300 for 1st, 2nd place gets $1,600, 3rd gets $1,000. 6th place get $300.I have 1/4 of the chips in play, in 1st place with 275K out of 1.1 Million chips in playQQ<88, after someone said they folded Q-8 pre-flop.AA<97s, they river straight.AT<77. First two cards on flop are A-T, third is 7. Out in 6th place for $300, but I felt like I lost so much more. At least you only lost two flips. You would be PISSED if you lost two 80-20 and then a coinflip to go from 1st in chips with 6 left, to 6th place. BULLSH!Tbbfidts, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 bbfidts, etc.STFU, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I've failed the WSOP steps too, the highest I've got is 5 (twice). It sucks when you know youre that close to getting a big payday, but you have to remember that if you play while tilted (or still thinking about your bad beats), you'll just play worse and lose more money. Be happy with the $$ you won, and not the $$ you could have. Chin up, and run good! Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 my roll is 0 Link to post Share on other sites
Jupiter 0 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 GuysHelp cheer me up.My roll atm is around $5K. Yesterday I finished 2nd in a Step 6. I lost two flips with the other guy all in for the win. $12,500 for 1st, I got $1,500 for 2nd.So basically lost 2 flips for an amount that is double my roll. I am finding it hard to get over this. It's not just the money - I've cashed a lot out over the past few months. I am just finding it hard to grind now in the face of that flip.So who has a similar story. Obv Fluffdog has a super sick one - anyone else?obv brag post.I wish I was good enough to be able to play for double my roll.you'll get the next one, worry not, mate. Link to post Share on other sites
InMyOffice 0 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 GuysHelp cheer me up.My roll atm is around $5K. Yesterday I finished 2nd in a Step 6. I lost two flips with the other guy all in for the win. $12,500 for 1st, I got $1,500 for 2nd.So basically lost 2 flips for an amount that is double my roll. I am finding it hard to get over this. It's not just the money - I've cashed a lot out over the past few months. I am just finding it hard to grind now in the face of that flip.So who has a similar story. Obv Fluffdog has a super sick one - anyone else?Same thing happened to me in a step 6 for the PokerStars Caribbean package...except my roll was about $1k at the time.Plus you got $1.5k cash, where as you would probably blow the $12k package in a day and end up with whatever travel money you didn't use.So live with it. I am, but drugs help. Link to post Share on other sites
InMyOffice 0 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 GuysHelp cheer me up.My roll atm is around $5K. Yesterday I finished 2nd in a Step 6. I lost two flips with the other guy all in for the win. $12,500 for 1st, I got $1,500 for 2nd.So basically lost 2 flips for an amount that is double my roll. I am finding it hard to get over this. It's not just the money - I've cashed a lot out over the past few months. I am just finding it hard to grind now in the face of that flip.So who has a similar story. Obv Fluffdog has a super sick one - anyone else?Same thing happened to me in a step 6 for the PokerStars Caribbean package...except my roll was about $1k at the time and I lost to two flips AND a suckout.Plus you got $1.5k cash, where as you would probably blow the $12k package in a day and end up with whatever travel money you didn't use.So live with it. I am, but drugs help. Link to post Share on other sites
pwncakery 0 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 My poker accounts are busto.My bank account totals ~100 dollars.I owe 10g. Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 My poker accounts are busto.My bank account totals ~100 dollars.I owe 10g.and i thought aussie had it bad... Link to post Share on other sites
aussiedonk 0 Posted June 24, 2008 Author Share Posted June 24, 2008 Same thing happened to me in a step 6 for the PokerStars Caribbean package...except my roll was about $1k at the time and I lost to two flips AND a suckout.Plus you got $1.5k cash, where as you would probably blow the $12k package in a day and end up with whatever travel money you didn't use.So live with it. I am, but drugs help.That is sick. I wouldn't have played ME though - would have kept the cashAnyway thanks guys I feel better. time to go win something I think Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 I am just finding it hard to grind now in the face of that flip.I would take a little break then. Link to post Share on other sites
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