opinions on this hand w/ pocket kk

[Keith 0]

Hello, all -I'm new to the forum and was wondering if I could get input on how this hand was played. It was my final hand in a six table satellite, and I had just been moved to a new table (we were down to three tables). I had about 1100 in chips, so obviously I hadn't been playing all that well, anyway. I was the short stack at the table and folded my first seven or eight hands, losing two blinds worth about 150.There were eight at the table, blinds were 100/200 (no ante) and I picked up KK (both black) in fifth position. The person UTG limped in and I raised it to 600 to go (leaving myself 350 in my stack). Action folded around and the button and BB both called, the limper folded.Flop came 2c, Jh, 7d. BB bet 500 and I called for all-in. The button raised all-in for 800 and got called. We turned them over. The button had KJo (I don't know what he was thinking even calling, much less pushing all-in regardless of position, but that's not my problem right now). BB had flopped a set of J. Turn and river came 88 so my two pair were beaten with jacks full and I finished 24th.Should I have gone all in right-away (which I now think I should have done)? If I had and the button hadn't called (although I think he would off, since he pushed in, anyway), then the pot-odds would have been a lot less favorable to the jacks and maybe he would have folded?Or once the flop came and guy pushed me all in, would the right play have been to fold? I didn't think so, since I now had such a small stack and the blinds were coming down and would have eaten my stack no matter what I got and I didn't have enough chips to pressure anybody at the table. If I had been the big stack I probably would have raised more initially, or in the exact same situation, would have considered mucking the kings.I feel like I played the hand right under the circumstances and get the impression the BB would have called regardless, but the outcome would have been the same (he had a "middle-size" stack at the table, probably about 4500). Once he pushed in, I thought he might have had two pair, or maybe even the jacks, but I guess I was "pot-committed" (although I don't necessarily buy into that theory).I'm interested in your thoughts on this.Thanks very much, and here's hoping you take every pot I'm not involved in.

[gobears 0]

I would have pushed all-in since you were at 6x the BB, but the result would have been the same. The button was short stacked too and I believe that the BB calls you or both of your all-in bets with his jacks pre-flop.You're basically pot committed after the flop unless an A drops which might give you reason to fold with two other players in the pot. No A fell though, so there is no reason to fold at that point. Don't really see how you get away from this hand - you're the heavy favorite until the flop.

[MrConceit 0]

Yeah I agree with the guy who posted a response first. You weren't getting away from this hand really at all. JJ would have called your raise if it was allin also, you would have looked desperate. I still would have gone allin for how low you were I think, but it isn't a huge deal. KJo just might have folded to your allin preflop, but you still would have lost this hand.

[Emptyeye 0]

Yeah, raising two thirds of your stack as opposed to just pushing in is a strange play, but as the posters above said, I don't think pushing in would have changed anything about how the hand ultimately played out. I think if anything changes when you push in, the button folds and the BB with his Jacks is now MORE inclined to call you as he's heads up and has a nice pocket pair, not figuring you for the higher pocket pair.As for what the button was thinking, I'm not sure what he was doing preflop, but postflop it was probably along the lines of "I have TPGK, I can't possibly be beat here!", not even considering the possibility of overpairs or the hit set (Or the fact that both combined to leave him drawing [not alive] in the hand). It's something I've done myself, more than once, I'm sad to say.EDIT: So THAT'S what the eggs remark replaces.

[Wilderness 0]

I'll echo the same things that have been said ... I think you should have pushed all-in before the flop. You are fairly short-stacked and by raising like you did then you have pot commited yourself on the flop anyway.If you had pushed right away, there are two outcomes that I think are the most likely to occur. The button pushes and the BB folds, or the button folds and the BB calls.If the button pushes after your all-in, I don't think that the BB is going to like his jacks enough to call 1200 more with 2 all-ins in front of him so its likely that he lays it down and you crush the buttons little KJ.If you go all-in and the button folds, then I would have to think that the BB is going to call you, figuring he is ahead or a coinflip against most hands you'll push with at this point.If you just told me stack sizes and cards for the 3 of you pre-flop, I would have said the 2nd scenario is the most likely, because I wouldn't think that the button, who is short-stacked himself, would want to play with KJ after an all-in, especially since he's on the button so he can see more hands for free and wait for his chance. But he called your raise for nearly half his stack with that lousy KJ so maybe he'd call or push all-in himself if you go all-in (he called 600, your all-in is only 350 more).Its possible that the BB will call if both of you go all-in, but unless he's got a big stack and wants to knock out two people, I would think he'd fold. Still though, you got a great hand when you are very short-stacked, so I don't think there is any way to get away from it, unfortunately he hit his 2 outer.

[Guest XXEddie]

you cetainly shoulda went allin preflop, but i think the JJ would still call you

[augmented 0]

that fool hit a 1 outer on you.bad luck, not bad play.