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[Zach6668]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG (t12382)UTG+1 (t4910)MP1 (t12628)MP2 (t2333)MP3 (t6271)Hero (t7620)Button (t18515)SB (t2110)BB (t6420)Preflop: Hero is CO with T , T . 4 folds, MP3 raises to t900, Hero calls t900, 3 folds.Flop: (t2250) 3 , K , 6 (2 players)MP3 bets t1000, Hero calls t1000.Turn: (t4250) 3 (2 players)MP3 bets t1000, Hero raises to t5720, MP3 .......150/300 level, so like hour 3.No particular read on the villain, his DB isn't too impressive.I read (skimmed) HOH2 for the first time last night, since I was playing this tourney, and read about how to deal with c-bets, so this is pretty much right from it, with the only except is he actually bets the turn, however, to me, it looks like weakness.Comments?Thanks.

[simo_8ball]

I like the flop call. On the turn I think you can win this a lot of the time. If he is being tricky with AA/KK/AK by underbetting then fine, but I think this is winnable easily often enough.

[Briguy]

Looks good. I think you'll fold out QQ-JJ, KJ-, and maybe even KQ if you happen to be behind. You'll also get rid of AQ, AJ. The only real concern is if this villain is trying to price you in with AA, AK, KK. The turn looks more like a blocking bet than a value bet to me.

[iggymcfly]

I'd go ahead and push this PF. You're likely not more than a 2:1 favorite, so you're not really excited to take a flop here. Also, your raise will only really be about 2x the pot, so it's not like you're risking more than the chips in the pot are worth.

[simo_8ball]

iggymcfly, on Monday, September 18th, 2006, 7:29 AM, said:

I'd go ahead and push this PF. You're likely not more than a 2:1 favorite, so you're not really excited to take a flop here. Also, your raise will only really be about 2x the pot, so it's not like you're risking more than the chips in the pot are worth.

I think pushing preflop from the CO with TT is trouble. I have no problem with the call. Pushing is a slight overbet, and with 3 players behind plus the raiser I think it pays to keep things small preflop here with position.(see copernicus, I'm not just a pushbot )

[Actuary]

call if villain re-raises.*************ballsy play on turn

[copernicus]

Total re-edit:Call and push the flop. Its not quite a stop and go, because youre not first to act, but if he is just going to cb, it transfers the initiative to you.Almost any line is going to find you all-in, and if you push preflop youre laying 5:1, when you are at best a 2:1 favorite over his raising range.Push on the flop and youve picked up FE against a broad range of hands.

[Actuary]

copernicus, on Monday, September 18th, 2006, 10:50 AM, said:

Total re-edit:Call and push the flop. Its not quite a stop and go, because youre not first to act, but if he is just going to cb, it transfers the initiative to you.Almost any line is going to find you all-in, and if you push preflop youre laying 5:1, when you are at best a 2:1 favorite over his raising range.Push on the flop and youve picked up FE against a broad range of hands.

We like TT that much?We aren't in trouble, why gamble all in?

[copernicus]

Actuary, on Monday, September 18th, 2006, 4:11 PM, said:

We like TT that much?We aren't in trouble, why gamble all in?

Contested middle pairs are a problem with Ms in the 15-20 range. Unless youre willing to play them for set value only (and I think they are worth more than that) almost any line cripples you when you lose anyway, so Id rather get more aggressive and play it for fold equity+value when he shows weakness on the flop.

[Actuary]

But I've always had problems with the SnG.If we push now, we get called when crushed, and win 3200 otherwise.I would feel really silly when KJ calls, and KJ probably folds to a push preflop.Or, say he fols AQ, when AQ calls preflop.I wonder if I'll ever get the nerve with a stack as bg as ours to push any flop just because villain weak lead.

[shpaget]

copernicus, on Monday, September 18th, 2006, 10:50 AM, said:

Total re-edit:Call and push the flop. Its not quite a stop and go, because youre not first to act, but if he is just going to cb, it transfers the initiative to you.Almost any line is going to find you all-in, and if you push preflop youre laying 5:1, when you are at best a 2:1 favorite over his raising range.Push on the flop and youve picked up FE against a broad range of hands.

Only against a certain set of players...How often will JJ and QQ fold here versus the number of times you're against someone who can't believe their pocket pair is no good anymore...and now you're in jeopardy of becoming one of those people.AA, AK, KQ and KK won't fold...KJ and KT...well, if he liked that hand enough to raise pf he just might want to follow it through, especially if you didn't reraise him pf.AQ, AJ you don't want to fold.I'd be inclined to, on the flop, raise it to 2500ish to see where we're at. Yeah, we lose almost half our stack if he comes back over the top, but an M of 8 is better than an M of 0.On occasions I don't mind a quick call...the problem is too many times it looks like a flush draw, and he'll bet larger on the turn.Now that he's made a weak turn bet the hand opens new doors (some of which may have large snakes behind them).As played I don't mind a call on the turn to see if he leads the river...nor do I mind pushing and hoping to end the hand right now....the problem here is he's got 3000 left into a pot of 8200ish and he may just decide he'll take his chances with JJ or KJ.You may actually have less FE on the turn in this hand than you would on the flop.

[iggymcfly]

All the people that replied here that haven't played any WCOOP events yet are missing how high the antes are. With the antes at this level, we don't have an M of 15-20, we have an M of just over 10 and MP has an M of just over 8. We really need to push this PF.

[simo_8ball]

iggymcfly, on Monday, September 18th, 2006, 6:47 PM, said:

With the antes at this level, we don't have an M of 15-20, we have an M of just over 10 and MP has an M of just over 8. We really need to push this PF.

There are no antes. The antes will come in on the next level. Pot = 2250 on the flop.2250 - 300bb - 150sb - 900call - 900raise = 0 antes.There is not enough in the pot to warrant pushing preflop.