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#1 Lieutenant_OH7

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 07:12 AM

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Posted Image I've got a serious dilemma...

I have been into poker cashgames and MTTs since a few months, I used to play hold'em with playchips, but that was years ago. I wasn't taking it very serious, but the game suited me well, and I wanted to try it with real money at some point... Took a few years until I really got back into poker, and 4months ago I finally started...

I was succesful in some MTTs, and won 8 of those in a pretty short time. I mainly focused on cashgames though, which seem to suit me a lot more, I realised some time later... Started playing cashgames on a bitcoin poker site (Betcoin), read a good review about it and gave it a try with my very first deposit. Quite some gamblers/fish on there so that helped to make some profit already... I played on 2 other poker providers, one of the few sites only that are legal in my country (Belgium). I got better and more refined in the game as I played cashgames. Since some time I also multi-table which worked well too.
I did loose some money, but got better along the way, more insight into the game etc, so that motivated me to continue...

But now my problem:
I was able to make really nice profits in a short time, like I started with 10$ buy-in in a room, and in the same room I went up to almost 100$, playing some hours. That convinced me I could really make good money with poker, and the possibilities had to be even much better than this, since I was still playing at really low stakes... But the problem was I seemed to loose a lot of that money in the end... Did I play too loose or overconfident when I got a big stack? Was I lucky and did I think I was already that great because I made great profit, and kept on making mistakes, after those upswings?
I think it's a combination of all those things...

But the surprising (or not surprising) thing was that this pattern seemed to repeat itself later on, in a very similar way. I won a lot in a period like a day, but lost it again sooner or later, and offcourse that frustrated me...
AT some point I made more than 300euros in a day, and that really gave me wings... I was convinced that I could be a professional poker player, and the possibilities had to be much greater than this, in the end...
But even then I couldn't continue and keep those good results day after day... I didn't want to give up and I started again on the bitcoin site, playing up to 3 tables at a time, and they offer a nice VIP system with rakeback.
It did seem to going better than before, even with some downswings.
At times I did get mad and frustrated on bad beats and bad luck, cuz I thought I was so unlucky at times (I do have similar problems in life in general). But I still wanted to continue, thinking I also learned out of the hands that went wrong...

But so to cut my story short: I would love to be a professional poker player, I really like the game... For example the strategic thinking, the learning and evolving, the fact that you can play it from wherever you live, at any time. That you are not dependant on other people or a boss, etc... I feel like I really need it, to give me the (financial) freedom I'm looking for in life. I do have an income now, so in theory I don't need the money... I don't have a job though, and a "regular job" is just not an option for me (anymore). I was so euphoric when my earnings began to be really good playing cash games, and at another time when it went bad, I cried of pure sadness...
I don't want to give up that dream yet, thinking I really have the talent for this game, and already proven that I can do it, despite the losses...
But I can't deny that it's not really good for me if bad beats do get me mad, and my play might suffer under that too. Or the financial losses if I couldn't get my earnings and positive balance stable... In my opinion it's easier to find that balance though when you play games, rather than tournaments. I also feel that there is more luck involved in tournaments...

I do think the only way to find out for sure is maybe to give it once last chance, and do my very best to get it going... I gave myself a period of at least a few weeks now to consider, what the best thing is to do, because this is really a difficult situation for me. So I stopped playing for now...
It's quite important to me because if I could be a poker pro, it could really give me the life I want... That I can live independent (now living with my parents still), build something up and have the money in life to make plans etc... (Now I just have a limited income). Thats why I don't want to give up that quickly, but maybe you guys have a different opinion. At this moment I just wouldn't know what else to do if I had to forget about poker. So only if I'd see it really is not for me, or does not work out, I'd stop...
I'm also thinking, if poker is not for me, what do these pros have or can do what I could not? That might sound a bit arrogant, but I really believe I have all the skills to be a great player... I might not have nerves of steel, and I do have my flaws, but so does everyone, I think.

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 01:39 PM

The first thing I would recommend is to have patience. You're putting too much thought on being the next big poker star that you may get in over your head and make minor mistakes just because you're trying too hard. Studying everything you can on poker and playing multiple tables at a time will not make you a pro. Too many people run themselves ragged trying to turn this game into a full-time career and things go the opposite. My brother quit a really good paying job because he was winning a lot of money, more money than he'd make in three months of his regular salary, after a few good hands (he IS a very good poker player) things went downswing and lost all of his money and was left in a terrible losing streak. A losing streak with a job is better than a losing streak with no job and failed pipedream.

Be patient. Don't begin practicing signing autographs until you have this game fully mastered beyond winning the game for a few short months. I wish you the best of luck!!!

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 06:00 PM

Eat more apples and wheat.
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#4 Lieutenant_OH7

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 05:08 AM

View PostSpademan, on 07 March 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

Eat more apples and wheat.

wheat?

For what it's worth, here are some of my recent stats:

Total Games: 505 game(s)
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Games Won: won 127 of 505 (25%)
Win/Loss: won m฿118,07
Raise/Call Ratio: 0.4 (85 raises, 228 calls)
Call/Fold Ratio: 0.6 (228 calls, 365 folds)
Bet/Check Ratio: 0.8 (123 bets, 160 checks)
Flops: saw 229 of 505 (45%)

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 06:26 AM

The stats make it clear, you need to eat more wheat and apples

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 01:29 PM

I can only assume the apple thing is a joke. I don't really know a ton about cereal grains, but apples are kind of interesting. Apples today, especially in the west, are basically all genetic clones of a couple of plants. See, it's difficult to get a palatable apple. If you plant the seeds of an apple, the genetics are totally shuffled around, and the fruit of the tree won't resemble the fruit from which the seeds came. And the vast majority of apples are tart and nearly inedible. For this reason, as hard cider fell from favor in America, apple planters simply began grafting new seedlings with branches from plants known to produce sweet, edible fruit. The result was is a monotonization of the apple, where every varietal is a one-note, overpoweringly sweet tragedy of a fruit, satisfying only the tastes of children and idiots. Compare that to complex, savory antique eating apples of early- and precolonoal Europe, the apple has become a complete joke. I really don't recommend them, and honestly think others are pulling your leg.
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 02:17 PM

Listen OP, Sklansky is a well known satan worshipper in this forum, and with satan worshipping comes an irrational fear of apples. So do your best to ignore the well written but largely nonsense post above, and find a dozen apples (at least) and don't forget the wheat also and then eat those two things in any order you like and I think you might experience GOD himself or at the very least a close substitute.

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 03:34 PM

Everything said in this thread is true.
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

View PostThe Opulent Gentleman, on 09 March 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

Listen OP, Sklansky is a well known satan worshipper in this forum, and with satan worshipping comes an irrational fear of apples. So do your best to ignore the well written but largely nonsense post above, and find a dozen apples (at least) and don't forget the wheat also and then eat those two things in any order you like and I think you might experience GOD himself or at the very least a close substitute.

I'm not denying the healing power of apples, we've all heard the expression, "an apple a day keeps the doctor away." But this is further bad advice. An odd number of apples keeps the doctor away, sure, but an even number of apples and you'll incur the wrath of Mephistopheles.

Eritis sicut Deus, Scientes Bonum et Malum. Eritis sicut Deus, Scientes Bonum et Malum. Eritis sicut Deus, Scientes Bonum et Malum.
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Posted 10 March 2017 - 02:35 AM

I don't care if you boys want to talking some bullshit about satan, apples or whatever... This is a poker forum and I posted a real story asking for constructive opinions, so go on an apples forum to talk or stop posting ur bs here in my thread.

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 02:02 PM

Hey guys remember redpill? His blog doesn't exist anymore, but here's a blog about his blog, with some great quotes. I wonder when he gets out of jail for probably murdering his mother.
http://haleyspokerbl...april-2006.html

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 10:49 PM

View PostLieutenant_OH7, on 10 March 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

I don't care if you boys want to talking some bullshit about satan, apples or whatever... This is a poker forum and I posted a real story asking for constructive opinions, so go on an apples forum to talk or stop posting ur bs here in my thread.

You're never going to be a winning player with that attitude.

Quit poker and go into accounting.
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Posted 11 March 2017 - 07:26 PM

Spade and I disagree on apples, but it's hard to argue with the poker wisdom of a man staked by DN. This reminds me a bit of an iconic martial arts movie, Karate Kid (2010). When Mr. Han was training Dre, he had him do what seemed like menial chores involving hanging jackets. Dre got frustrated and bored, and felt like Mr. Han was taking advantage of him. He bucked up on him the same way you are doing with us. But in the end, Mr. Han knew better than Dre, and trust, respect and patience get you a lot further than just barreling ahead like Leroy Jenkins. Please slow down and learn to take advice. What you're doing is not working, and what we do is.

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 08:15 PM

Every single post in this thread, including OP, is a joke.

Nobody, ever, ever, ever. Has EVER been good enough after a few months to become a pro.

Keep your day job, stay in school, and play those $10 buyins until you have $2,000. Then play $20 buyins until you have $4,000. If you can't do that, you have no chance.

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 09:22 PM

View PostDavid_Sklansky, on 11 March 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

Spade and I disagree on apples, but it's hard to argue with the poker wisdom of a man staked by DN. This reminds me a bit of an iconic martial arts movie, Karate Kid (2010). When Mr. Han was training Dre, he had him do what seemed like menial chores involving hanging jackets. Dre got frustrated and bored, and felt like Mr. Han was taking advantage of him. He bucked up on him the same way you are doing with us. But in the end, Mr. Han knew better than Dre, and trust, respect and patience get you a lot further than just barreling ahead like Leroy Jenkins. Please slow down and learn to take advice. What you're doing is not working, and what we do is.

"The definition of crazy is doing the same thing again and again, and expecting different results." - Marilyn Monroe.

This man?

This man right here?

This man right here knows what he's talking about.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:35 AM

View PostEleusis, on 11 March 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

Every single post in this thread, including OP, is a joke.

Nobody, ever, ever, ever. Has EVER been good enough after a few months to become a pro.

Keep your day job, stay in school, and play those $10 buyins until you have $2,000. Then play $20 buyins until you have $4,000. If you can't do that, you have no chance.

I would say that often this is good advice, but as the movie Sklansky spoke above makes clear, sometimes not everything is even ABOUT poker, sometimes it's about karate and kids and sometimes rap moguls. As another example makes clear, if somebody was looking for advice on whom to marry, your advice would make absolutely no sense. Do you see what I'm saying?




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