Limit Hold Em' Cash Games

[donk4life 34]

Alright guys I've come to ask for your help..Lately I've been trying my best to succeed at NL cash games, but it just isn't working.. It's not that I'm taking bad beats and playing right, actually it's the complete opposite.. I'll just put plain and simple, I SUCK. It's weird because NL tourneys are more of a science to me and I can almost always do well, but not in the cash games (I know they are 2 completely different games). ... So now I want to try out limit hold em', and it seems the majority of people like to play limit over no limit in cash games..So any suggestions or theories that I should try out in limit? I'm gonna start off at .5/1, so what should I buy in for? Is it harder to steal pots in limit? I've been playing .05/.1 for about the past 30 minutes and I came in for 3 bucks and am up to 11, but those are micro... Any help would be nice

[rogerwilco 0]

So any suggestions or theories that I should try out in limit? I'm gonna start off at .5/1, so what should I buy in for? Is it harder to steal pots in limit? I've been playing .05/.1 for about the past 30 minutes and I came in for 3 bucks and am up to 11, but those are micro... Any help would be nice

- You should always have at least 12BB of the limit you play at the table- Harder to steal pots: Kind of, it is different.- Any help: Read "Small Stakes Hold'em"!

[GeneralGeeWhiz 0]

- You should always have at least 12BB of the limit you play at the table- Harder to steal pots: Kind of, it is different.- Any help: Read "Small Stakes Hold'em"!

Good advice. Pick up Super System. The Limit cash game author is Bobby Baldwin (No jokes) who was a limit cash game master.

[fitzinabox 0]

i dont reccomend trying to steal pots in limit holdem, espicially at the micro levels, it simply wont work.

[scottyno 0]

at .05 .10 no one ever folds anything, at that limit you basically want to get lots of value for your hands, no reason to slow play ever.at .50 1.00 the players are a bit better but are still overall very bad. it sounds like this is your first time playing limit, stick to quality starting hands, bet them hard preflop, and when you hit the flop push your hands. dont try to bluff because it isn't going to work very much, at .50 1.00 you will regularly get called down by any pair or even ace high. this also means you can make thin value bets on the river with hands like top pair no kicker against most opponents, and thin value calls because they will push their hands that they think are strong.Your buy in at a limit table doesnt really matter that much since you can easily add more and you cant push more than 1 bet at a time anyway, standard buy in is usually either 10 or 20 bb.

[donk4life 34]

Good advice. Pick up Super System. The Limit cash game author is Bobby Baldwin (No jokes) who was a limit cash game master.

I can't believe you made that you sig..You egotistical man..

[GeneralGeeWhiz 0]

I can't believe you made that you sig..You egotistical man..

Thanks

[astros11ss 0]

jennifer harmon's LHE section is super system 2 is better than baldwin's in super system 1 imo. however, if you're looking to avoid ridiculous bad beats, limit holdem is NOT the way to go.

[Balloon guy 158]

But a bad beat at 6xBB is alot better than getting felted for a full buy in.Just play and get the feel for the game. Just let it flow and embrace the game as it ebbs and flows.beautiful

[ThreeBet 0]

however, if you're looking to avoid ridiculous bad beats, limit holdem is NOT the way to go.

Who told you? LOL!You have to have the right mind-set to play Limit ... you can't manipulate the pot to give the wrong odds for people to hit their draws. You have to be aware that with Limit, many times opposition will be getting the correct odds to make a call ... sometimes even for a gutshot going to the river. The lower the level, the more you'll suffer bad beats. The good news is that the average pot will be bigger than a corresponding NL level and there generally will be more money on the table as there are usually no maximum buy-ins. I find, on average, you don't "have to" win as many pots as in NL to get a significant win. Generally, if I win 1 out of every 3 or 4 pots I play I'll come out very good for the session.

[ROACHBABY 0]

I find that after I play limit for a while it benefits my NL game. So by learning limit you might be helping out your NL game. I know they are both very different, but limit helps you realize when someone is chasing or when someone is slow playing etc.

[ThreeBet 0]

I find that after I play limit for a while it benefits my NL game. So by learning limit you might be helping out your NL game. I know they are both very different, but limit helps you realize when someone is chasing or when someone is slow playing etc.

I agree. In Limit you have to make way more decisions (not as big or important ones as NL, just more of 'em) which forces you to be be "on" more than NL. I know lots of players who are very good at NL having played Limit first. NL players moving to Limit generally have it tougher in my experience .... Limit can definitely help your NL game, imo.

[donk4life 34]

Thanks

Lol i'm sorry, i'm just jealous no one has ever said that about me

[ukwildcat09 0]

Variance in limit can be ridiculous. It can bring you to your knees. Maybe that was the wrong wording, but it can be bad. I play 10 hours of 3/6 at my casino and lost 1.3 BB. I bought in for 80, went all the way up to 212, then way back down to 72. It was sick. I played good solid poker, but kept getting run down by donks. I watched a complete noob make a 40BB in 40 minutes. He then asked, "what do I do when I want to go to the bathroom?" Complete noob. Main point - Don't expect to steal any pots. Position in LHE, isn't nearly as important as it is in NL. If you are playing a full ring game, play extremely tight but also play good drawing hands. Lots of suited connectors like 6-7,7-8, J-T suited. They can make you serious money. Play smart poker, don't get caught up in drawing with poor pot odds.

[rogerwilco 0]

Position in LHE, isn't nearly as important as it is in NL.

Position is of paramount importance in LHE, unless you are talking about an extremely weak/loose game where noone ever raises and more than half the table look at every flop.

[donk4life 34]

Ok, right now i'm playing .5/1 game on absolute... I bought in for 25, i'm down about 5 bucks, lost a hand with ace king.. I know i'm getting into strategy with this, so if this topic needs to be moved then go ahead.. but for the ace king hand.. i pick up a draw on the flop, its a gutshot.. but I mean a .5 cent bet into a 3 dollar pot, I gotta call right? or I pick up a flush draw and someone bets and someone raises do I call there as well?My main worry is here about playing the drawing hands, because i'm not quite sure when to let these go

[ukwildcat09 0]

Ok, right now i'm playing .5/1 game on absolute... I bought in for 25, i'm down about 5 bucks, lost a hand with ace king.. I know i'm getting into strategy with this, so if this topic needs to be moved then go ahead.. but for the ace king hand.. i pick up a draw on the flop, its a gutshot.. but I mean a .5 cent bet into a 3 dollar pot, I gotta call right? or I pick up a flush draw and someone bets and someone raises do I call there as well?My main worry is here about playing the drawing hands, because i'm not quite sure when to let these go

Fold the gutshot. Your odds are bad. You need to be getting 12.5-1 on the turn card for you to call. You were getting 6-1. As for the other poster about position, it really isn't as important in LHE. You know how much they can bet/raise. In no limit, your opponent bets any amount, making you think about the hand way more. Position is not as important in LHE.

[scottyno 0]

Ok, right now i'm playing .5/1 game on absolute... I bought in for 25, i'm down about 5 bucks, lost a hand with ace king.. I know i'm getting into strategy with this, so if this topic needs to be moved then go ahead.. but for the ace king hand.. i pick up a draw on the flop, its a gutshot.. but I mean a .5 cent bet into a 3 dollar pot, I gotta call right? or I pick up a flush draw and someone bets and someone raises do I call there as well?My main worry is here about playing the drawing hands, because i'm not quite sure when to let these go

for 1 bet with AK on a TJx or JQx or whatever flop you're basically going to take 1 off on the flop, then probably fold the turn if unimproved. If you have a flushdraw it depends on what the board looks like, if its a paired board then you have an easy fold, if you have a flush draw and an over its probably a pretty standard call on the flop, then fold the turn if you would have to call 2 bets again, see the river if you only have to call 1 because the pot would be big enough. Basically just figure out what you think your outs are and do the math to see if its right to call and go from there.

[ukwildcat09 0]

OP, it sounds like you really need to pick up a few books about basic poker. I suggest reading the "Theory of Poker." It will help you with your game greatly. As for drawing hands, you really need to know about odds in order to get into these type of hands. Odds are a key thing in limit.

[donk4life 34]

OP, it sounds like you really need to pick up a few books about basic poker. I suggest reading the "Theory of Poker." It will help you with your game greatly. As for drawing hands, you really need to know about odds in order to get into these type of hands. Odds are a key thing in limit.

Well, it's not like i'm a beginner of the game, i haven't played limit much but i've played NL for about 2 years.. I've just never gotten into limit hold em'.... I've played it sometimes from time to time, and lost, but I know I can succeed at it..Ok heres another example, I have 3 4 of hearts with positionFlop is Ah Jh 5s.. Someone bets and I raise, am I wrong in doing this? I have a straight draw and flush draw..I raised, but the turn was a blank and so was the river.. do I continue to bet at this? Or should I not even raise in the first place?

[navybuttons 15]

you can't manipulate the pot to give the wrong odds for people to hit their draws.

say there's a preflop raiser (very agressive who always c-bets), and you call in the SB with J10s and so does the BB (a loose/passive calling station preflop but can sometimes fold postflop). the flop comes J,10,6 with 2 hearts. i would say that to build a pot you should lead, let the pf better raise and you can 3 bet. the problem is that the BB is getting almost correct odds on his call every time if he is on a draw or if he has A6.if you check/ raise the preflop better the BB is getting incorrect odds on his call on most draws, thus giving you more equity in a small pot as opposed to less equity in a larger pot.see?edit: i don't know **** about LHE right now, it just would make sense to me this way.

[ukwildcat09 0]

Your goal in limit, and all poker is to give your opponents the worst odds on their hand and still have them call. 3 betting that flop is the right play.

[donk4life 34]

I've already noticed that even if you have a weak ace it's probably good.. I just won a big pot with only a pair of aces (7 kicker) someone kept calling me down with pocket 8's..I'm up 10 bucks whoo!!!

[navybuttons 15]

I've already noticed that even if you have a weak ace it's probably good.

no better than it would be in NLHE except you wont get stacked with it. (not very good)

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Hi.Read Small Stakes Hold'em, by Ed Miller, David Sklansky, and Mason Malmuth.That's Small Stakes Hold'emBy SklanskyDavid SklanskyGood luck.