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[Sportsmack]

PMJackson21, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 5:09 PM, said:

Penny is a dbag but he probably should be a minor to moderate upgrade over Martinez. Not sure why Sabean is focused on upgrading his 5th starter when there are more glaring needs though.My fav commentary on Penny via Larry Bowa this spring:"Is this the same Penny that never went to meetings, that came late, left early, was never in shape, always had an excuse when things didn't go right, didn't help the young kids at all? Coaches get on players when they're lazy and don't work. I think he should worry about getting hitters out in the American League East and not worry about me."

<3 Larry Bowa

[Good Tom Hunting]

The fact that dodger fans hate him puts one in the plus column for me. I'm not really concerned about the work ethic issues because he is just a rental player...if it doesn't work out its not that big of a deal.

[Sportsmack]

I have a crazy feeling that Brad Penny and Brian Wilson are gonna get along just fine.

[GeneralGeeWhiz]

Good Tom Hunting, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 7:37 PM, said:

The fact that dodger fans hate him puts one in the plus column for me. I'm not really concerned about the work ethic issues because he is just a rental player...if it doesn't work out its not that big of a deal.

no. I want a player with a strong work ethic that will make the Giants a better team.

Sportsmack, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 7:52 PM, said:

I have a crazy feeling that Brad Penny and Brian Wilson are gonna get along just fine.

LOL a big +1 on that.

[PMJackson21]

GeneralGeeWhiz, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 8:22 PM, said:

no. I want a player with a strong work ethic that will make the Giants a better team.

Are you sure you don't want to go back to the days where one player thought he was bigger than the team?I'm pretty sure Sabean could sign some random guy off the streets and Tom would love the move. You have to admire someone with such blind loyalty to a team.

[GeneralGeeWhiz]

PMJackson21, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 9:23 PM, said:

Are you sure you don't want to go back to the days where one player thought he was bigger than the team?I'm pretty sure Sabean could sign some random guy off the streets and Tom would love the move. You have to admire someone with such blind loyalty to a team.

I'm very sure. I can't help but love Bonds because I grew up watching him play. But, his attitude and roid use lead to many distractions that really, really hurt the Giants as a team. You already know that though. :PAnd Tom, please stop making Giants fans look stupid. This isn't a good move, just like the Freddy Sanchez trade. asdflkjhasdfjkhsad sabean.

[Good Tom Hunting]

GeneralGeeWhiz, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 10:11 PM, said:

I'm very sure. I can't help but love Bonds because I grew up watching him play. But, his attitude and roid use lead to many distractions that really, really hurt the Giants as a team. You already know that though. :PAnd Tom, please stop making Giants fans look stupid. This isn't a good move, just like the Freddy Sanchez trade. asdflkjhasdfjkhsad sabean.

All i can say is wow. Usually, what you say makes sense....i may not agree with it, but i understand what u r saying; however, i cant understand the logic behind your post here. Best case scenario: Penny is a good #5 starter and an upgrade over Martinez or any other stiff they throw out there. Worse case scenario: Penny performs badly and he leaves in the offseason. Oh, and we are out a little bit of money...but we arent signing the checks so who cares?I just don't see Penny ruining the clubhouse chemistry. With Bonds, the Giants put up with his sometimes surly behavior because he was the star player. If Penny acts out in any way, he will be gone because hes just a rental, simple as that. Plus, I think Penny will be on his best behavior as he will be pitching for a contract. Also, don't forget that rosters will expand soon as well, so its not like penny will be taking someone else's spot.

[Good Tom Hunting]

PMJackson21, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 9:23 PM, said:

Are you sure you don't want to go back to the days where one player thought he was bigger than the team?I'm pretty sure Sabean could sign some random guy off the streets and Tom would love the move. You have to admire someone with such blind loyalty to a team.

I would take a Barry Bonds over Manny Ramirez every god damn day of the week. Bonds may have been a surly sonofabitch, but when he stepped between the lines he always gave his best effort. There is no way you can say the same about Ramirez, especially after the Boston fiasco.

[Good Tom Hunting]

GeneralGeeWhiz, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 10:11 PM, said:

I'm very sure. I can't help but love Bonds because I grew up watching him play. But, his attitude and roid use lead to many distractions that really, really hurt the Giants as a team. You already know that though. And Tom, please stop making Giants fans look stupid. This isn't a good move, just like the Freddy Sanchez trade. asdflkjhasdfjkhsad sabean.

For someone who posts on the internet a lot, you seem to care a lot about appearances

[GeneralGeeWhiz]

Good Tom Hunting, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 10:49 PM, said:

All i can say is wow. Usually, what you say makes sense....i may not agree with it, but i understand what u r saying; however, i cant understand the logic behind your post here. Best case scenario: Penny is a good #5 starter and an upgrade over Martinez or any other stiff they throw out there. Worse case scenario: Penny performs badly and he leaves in the offseason. Oh, and we are out a little bit of money...but we arent signing the checks so who cares?I just don't see Penny ruining the clubhouse chemistry. With Bonds, the Giants put up with his sometimes surly behavior because he was the star player. If Penny acts out in any way, he will be gone because hes just a rental, simple as that. Plus, I think Penny will be on his best behavior as he will be pitching for a contract. Also, don't forget that rosters will expand soon as well, so its not like penny will be taking someone else's spot.

I would much rather have a bat than a number 5 starter. Penny wont even start in the playoffs if we make it. It's a horrible move man.

[JoeyJoJo]

Good Tom Hunting, on Monday, August 31st, 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

When Bonds stepped between the lines he always gave his best effort. There is no way you can say the same about Ramirez, especially after the Boston fiasco.

Could you specify what you're talking about exactly? What was the Boston fiasco as it pertains to between the lines?

[PMJackson21]

JoeyJoJo, on Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 8:15 AM, said:

Could you specify what you're talking about exactly? What was the Boston fiasco as it pertains to between the lines?

Forgive Tom, he not much into facts...a. Manny OPS'd something incredibly good his last few weeks in Boston before the trade.**** I'm sure Tom is stuck on that dp ball he didn't run out though. Being known as one of the players who spends the most time on preparation and film study is also pointless I guess, as is the way our younger hitters benefited from seeing how serious he took hitting.b. Lol at Barry 'giving it his best effort' every time he took the field. Honestly? Barry was known to half ass his way down the line just as often as Manny has, and most Giants fans defended him by saying they wouldn't want him to hurt himself anyway. Now somehow Barry has turned into a Charlie Hustle type?Lol, I am halfway convinced Tom is not real and is a very clever fake account sent here to confound us baseball fans. I have a hard time believing someone could actually watch the game through such orange and black tinted glasses (other than Mike Krukow that is).**** His numbers in July prior to the trade: 75 at-bats, 26 hits, four homers, 16 RBI, a .473 on-base percentage and a 1.060 OPS.....How dare he quit on them like that!!!!!

[CaneBrain]

PMJackson21, on Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 7:50 AM, said:

Forgive Tom, he not much into facts...a. Manny OPS'd something incredibly good his last few weeks in Boston before the trade.**** I'm sure Tom is stuck on that dp ball he didn't run out though. Being known as one of the players who spends the most time on preparation and film study is also pointless I guess, as is the way our younger hitters benefited from seeing how serious he took hitting.b. Lol at Barry 'giving it his best effort' every time he took the field. Honestly? Barry was known to half ass his way down the line just as often as Manny has, and most Giants fans defended him by saying they wouldn't want him to hurt himself anyway. Now somehow Barry has turned into a Charlie Hustle type?Lol, I am halfway convinced Tom is not real and is a very clever fake account sent here to confound us baseball fans. I have a hard time believing someone could actually watch the game through such orange and black tinted glasses (other than Mike Krukow that is).**** His numbers in July prior to the trade: 75 at-bats, 26 hits, four homers, 16 RBI, a .473 on-base percentage and a 1.060 OPS.....How dare he quit on them like that!!!!!

now, look here patrick. I like Manny. You know where you stand with Manny and you know what you get. Both him and Bonds gave the effort they wanted to give. But Manny is still no Bonds as good as he is. When Bonds was in his steroid hey-day, I was surprised when he made an out. I have never been able to say that about any other baseball player (even a Pujols or whoever). Bonds was a baseball god, a science-fueled force of nature that got on base at a 55%+ clip.Let's not forget how awesome he was just because almost no one likes the guy. So while all the stuff about effort in Tom's post was meaningless, the first line is correct. I would take Bonds over Manny any day of the week. It's not like either guy has ever been great for chemistry (and chemistry is so overrated anyway).

[JoeyJoJo]

PMJ: Stealing my thunderCane: I took out that part of Tom’s post because there’s obviously no question Bonds was the better player. We were focusing on the part about Bonds over Manny based on effort.

[CaneBrain]

JoeyJoJo, on Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 9:17 AM, said:

PMJ: Stealing my thunderCane: I took out that part of Tom’s post because there’s obviously no question Bonds was the better player. We were focusing on the part about Bonds over Manny based on effort.

fair enough. In terms of effort, I would say Bonds was actually alright as a Pirate and then slowly deteriorated to the Manny level as a Giant.Of course, he was always a pain in the ass. Even in college at ASU Bonds was a huge prick.

[PMJackson21]

CaneBrain, on Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 9:16 AM, said:

now, look here patrick. I like Manny. You know where you stand with Manny and you know what you get. Both him and Bonds gave the effort they wanted to give. But Manny is still no Bonds as good as he is.

What JJJ said; no question Barry is the superior player/hitter, but to say he always played hard was incorrect.

[gobears]

We're missing the big picture here.If not for the playoff hunt, Sabes would have been gone after this year. Now he will probably get a nice long term renewal. Best thing to happen to the other NL West teams imo.

[PMJackson21]

gobears, on Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 2:16 PM, said:

We're missing the big picture here.If not for the playoff hunt, Sabes would have been gone after this year. Now he will probably get a nice long term renewal. Best thing to happen to the other NL West teams imo.

Heh, he's def trying to do everything he can to look productive enough to keep, that's for sure. Personally I think the Giants would be better off with a different coaching staff as well, but after this year I doubt anything will change. They will maybe get rid of Lansford but I can't see them replacing anyone else unless they completely tank.

[Good Tom Hunting]

JoeyJoJo, on Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 8:15 AM, said:

Could you specify what you're talking about exactly? What was the Boston fiasco as it pertains to between the lines?

PMJackson21, on Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 8:50 AM, said:

Forgive Tom, he not much into facts...a. Manny OPS'd something incredibly good his last few weeks in Boston before the trade.**** I'm sure Tom is stuck on that dp ball he didn't run out though. Being known as one of the players who spends the most time on preparation and film study is also pointless I guess, as is the way our younger hitters benefited from seeing how serious he took hitting.b. Lol at Barry 'giving it his best effort' every time he took the field. Honestly? Barry was known to half ass his way down the line just as often as Manny has, and most Giants fans defended him by saying they wouldn't want him to hurt himself anyway. Now somehow Barry has turned into a Charlie Hustle type?Lol, I am halfway convinced Tom is not real and is a very clever fake account sent here to confound us baseball fans. I have a hard time believing someone could actually watch the game through such orange and black tinted glasses (other than Mike Krukow that is).**** His numbers in July prior to the trade: 75 at-bats, 26 hits, four homers, 16 RBI, a .473 on-base percentage and a 1.060 OPS.....How dare he quit on them like that!!!!!

If my memory serves me, I believe there was some controversy about him sitting out because of an injury when some people believed he could have been playing. When manny was putting up those numbers in his last month in boston, he had already played himself out of town. He didn't want to be there and he forced the Red Sox to make a deal where they had to get 50 cents on the dollar for him while picking up some or all of his contract. As a fan, stuff like that pisses me off because it affects the present and future prospects for a team. Imagine if he had done it to a smaller market team...it would cost that team years of rebuilding.

[Good Tom Hunting]

One more thing for now...I took a shot at PMJackson because of what he said about Bonds being a player who thought he was above the team. I disagree with that assessment and I thought it was rather hypocritical especially considering his love for Manny. Unlike Ramirez, Bonds gave consistent effort, played hurt, and never forced himself off a team. I hope that clears up my original statement...I realize that the "giving his best effort" line is meaningless....sometimes what i mean to say and what i type are two very different things.