Indig0, on 10 June 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:
I can have patience, to play micro stakes, but how much time needed to live from playing poker?
From your post it's clear you suck and are in no position to play poker for a living, regardless of how little it costs to live in your country. We all sucked at one point, you can get better. It will take a lot of time and patience and you will have to learn plenty of tough lessons along the way.Take your $40 bankroll and start managing it well. $40 at 25NL is 1.6 buy ins, you will go broke with a 1.6 buy-in bankroll about 99.5% of the time. With zoom poker, this could happen in literally 30 seconds.If you play cash games, stick to 20 buy ins minimum for now. This is 1c/2c for you now, if you stick the things I list below you will go broke a lot less (maybe never).This means you won't move up to 2c/5c until you have $100. You may be able to take shots from time to time with less money, but not 2c/5c full time until $100. You may end up playing 1c/2c for months. It may be very boring, but you will learn how to win and eventually you will be able to move up. If you think this is dull, it's nothing compared to what you need when playing for a living and needing to cash out regularly. I rarely play with less than 300 buy ins (for sngs), which probably equates to 60-100 for cash games.Important things in no particular order (most could come under the definition of tilt control)-learn how to quit a session
- when you're stuck 5 buy ins, getting 3 outered everywhere and screaming obscenities at your computer screen, click that sit out button and go and get some fresh air or a cold drink. Cash game players have the luxury of being able to stop whenever they want. Use it. It will save you more money than you can possibly know right now. On the flipside, when you're flopping sets and stacking fools, play longer, but make sure you don't lose focus and start playing badly.-learn when you are not playing your best
(and do something about it or quit). People always talk about A games, B games etc. It's quite hard to quantify exactly what these are, but they work well for explanations. You will want to aim to play your "A-game" as often as possible, however it is not going to happen all the time, so you want to make sure your B game is as good as possible. Right now whilst typing this, I'm 6 tabling MTTs and there is no way I'm playing close to my A-game, however I trust my B/C-game to be more than good enough for me to semi-switch off for half an hour. The difference between A/B/C is mostly down to focus and tilt. Avoid distractions, don't play for too long, take notes....there is a lot I could add here.-learn aversion to money
. When you move up you may be dealing with amounts of money that seem enormous to you now. Right now I deal with days where I could win or lose the value of a computer. For those playing higher, it could be a car or house. If you start thinking about that kind of thing, it will affect your in-game decisions and it may start spilling over into the rest of your life, which is not good.-learn how to manage your bankroll
(as above) - seriously stick to this. Very important. Variance is way way way more than you know, especially these days. Don't be afraid to take shots within your bankroll, especially if not playing for a living, but be careful you don't play too long whilst stuck money at higher limits.-don't play drunk.
Ever. You can drink a little whilst playing if you wish, but playing in a drunken state has lost many a bankroll over the years. Similarly don't play tired, it's not quite as bad as playing drunk but a bad habit.-learn how to multitable
- don't jump straight into this, but to make reasonable money playing online you're gonna have to play more than one table eventually. Once you feel comfortable at 1c/2c, stick in a table, then another. It will increase your hourly and you will be able to move up faster. Most professionals play at least 8, some many more. Seriously don't start off doing this, it could be a terrible mistake, just bear it in mind for the future.-be prepared to for your ego to take a hammering
. This game is nasty, there will be days where it is impossible to win, regardless of how well you play. There may be a player who wins 5 flips in a row against you in 10 minutes, you may get set over set twice an half an hour, you may go on a 2 month break even stretch. Don't take this personally and don't expect luck to come back proportionally in your favour in the future, it doesn't work that way. Just play through it and don't lose money to downswing induced tilt.None of these deal with improving your actual card playing so you should also:-start reviewing your sessions and ask/post questions
. On FCP, there is a friendly (I think) group of players in this forum : http://www.fullconta...hp?showforum=16
who will help out. Make sure you read posting guidelines first though (http://www.fullconta...showtopic=97855
). Having poorly described hands is extremely annoying to the rest of us. Training sites aren't a bad idea but it would probably be quite an investment for your current bankroll to sign up to one of those.-most of all just play a lot of hands, make good playing decisions and try to enjoy it.
As for how long it might take, it took me 18 months to even start winning, 18 months more to win reasonably consistently and I've been playing for a living for the last 3-4 years. I made (and sometimes still make) many rookie mistakes and I had to learn from them. It's a tough game. In todays climate the process from where you are to playing for a living will probably take longer. I do believe that almost anyone with the time and discipline can do it though.This was rather longer and more off-topic than necessary but it's a fairly slow Sunday afternoon so far.