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#1 Wingmaster05

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:07 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with [Ad], [4s]. UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 5 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (10.50 SB) [Th], [5d], [4c] (5 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.Turn: (7.75 BB) [3h] (5 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls.River: (11.75 BB) [9h] (2 players)Hero checks
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:14 PM

You can peel on the flop for one closing action in that size a pot...But you should be folding preflop.And the turn is crazy. People are often checking here to UTG anticipating his bet, either because they're scared or because they're waiting to checkraise. MP1 is rarely completely full of it here. He peeled on the flop with _something_, and probably would gladly take a free card if he had just a draw.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:16 PM

I refuse to read past your preflop call.That is horribleDid you photo shop that?

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:17 PM

This hand is just strange.I don't know what to say.- Zach
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:05 PM

Open fold the flop!swactually, seriously, open fold.swno, seriously
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:12 PM

Whoops...lol. Ignore pot odds then?I like to think i can let go of a bad ace a flop if needed.You;re calling this with A4 suited, no?
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:25 PM

View PostWingmaster05, on Friday, March 3rd, 2006, 10:12 PM, said:

You;re calling this with A4 suited, no?
no doubt.Huge differnce.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:27 PM

View PostWingmaster05, on Saturday, March 4th, 2006, 3:12 AM, said:

Whoops...lol. Ignore pot odds then?I like to think i can let go of a bad ace a flop if needed.You;re calling this with A4 suited, no?
I don't dislike the preflop call as much as I do the flop call. You are getting 9.5 to 1 with A4.A4 is a drawing hand iwth multi way pot potential.I used to try to get in a lot of multiway pots with hands like these knowing I could create +EV situations for myself postflop.Obviously don't be the fool who creates action when you just hit top pair with it.
i saw him at the riverbank. he was breaking bread and giving thanks. with crosses made of pipes and planks. leaned up against the nitrous tanks.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:45 PM

so avoid easily dominated hands in bb (duh)...(slowly takes a step back)About a week ago i noticed my blind stats were worse than most (money wise), and my play was about as weak tight as you could get. My strategy was basically avoid playing in the blinds. Lately I've been more liberal in calling raises from the big blind, especially late po. raisres and to good success so far. I guess i started to get use to that idea...? Variance can be nice sometiems.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:50 PM

View PostWingmaster05, on Saturday, March 4th, 2006, 3:45 AM, said:

so avoid easily dominated hands in bb (duh)...(slowly takes a step back)About a week ago i noticed my blind stats were worse than most (money wise), and my play was about as weak tight as you could get. My strategy was basically avoid playing in the blinds. Lately I've been more liberal in calling raises from the big blind, especially late po. raisres and to good success so far. I guess i started to get use to that idea...? Variance can be nice sometiems.
OK.There is a "standard" for the lines you want to keep in these games. Its not a bad idea to keep your stats close to these standards.But even at low limits you have to adapt to the table and to how you feel. Sometimes you KNOW you are on your game, you feel instinctive, and you know you are playing very well.Pokertracker can't tell you how you need to play at these times. Don't ever rely too much on the few % points you need to move up and down in the smaller areas. If you feel the way you are playing suits your game and your "feel" of the game, you will probably be a winning player.Way too often players adjust to have "good" PT stats and lose their personal feel of the game.Again, I think PT stats are important. (Especially the Aggression factor stats) but try to avoid using them as a crutch.
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he said take a hit. hold your breath and i'll dunk your head. then when you wake up, you'll be high as hell and born again.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:58 PM

View PostAbsolute, on Friday, March 3rd, 2006, 10:27 PM, said:

I don't dislike the preflop call as much as I do the flop call. You are getting 9.5 to 1 with A4.A4 is a drawing hand iwth multi way pot potential.I used to try to get in a lot of multiway pots with hands like these knowing I could create +EV situations for myself postflop.Obviously don't be the fool who creates action when you just hit top pair with it.
I really don't understand what you are saying. What's wrong with the flop?

View PostAbsolute, on Friday, March 3rd, 2006, 10:50 PM, said:

OK.There is a "standard" for the lines you want to keep in these games. Its not a bad idea to keep your stats close to these standards.But even at low limits you have to adapt to the table and to how you feel. Sometimes you KNOW you are on your game, you feel instinctive, and you know you are playing very well.Pokertracker can't tell you how you need to play at these times. Don't ever rely too much on the few % points you need to move up and down in the smaller areas. If you feel the way you are playing suits your game and your "feel" of the game, you will probably be a winning player.Way too often players adjust to have "good" PT stats and lose their personal feel of the game.Again, I think PT stats are important. (Especially the Aggression factor stats) but try to avoid using them as a crutch.
I've heard that advice before but it must not have registered. I definitely don't want to tune my game to stats, I just wanted to make a note of my blind play and look for places where my brain says "you're in the big, just fold it" and instead decide if it was playable.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:06 PM

Wing,Absolute does not relize you hit a pair on the flop.If he still recommends folding the flop, then wait for the meds to wear offyeah, I managed to recover and read the rest.pf is aweful!I'd call with 67 off




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