Random News Observations

[GOCUBSGO 77]

I would have been fine if Fox ran the same exact story because the circumstances surrounding the vote warrant a closer examination than simply looking at the results. Nobody is arguing that the outcome is in anyway diminished or negated by low turnout.

 

Could it have been titled more appropriately? Perhaps.

 

Does it scream partisan narrative given what we know? I don't think so.

 

You're too much of an arrogant windbag to realize when you're wrong anyways.

[Scrim 115]

It's because I'm not wrong.

 

A 97% poll result was reported as "Some Voters".

 

That speaks entirely for itself.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Nearly Unanimous Support For Statehood In Vote With Low 27% Turnout Boycotted By Some

[Dubey 1,035]

WE'RE BOYCOTTING THIS ELECTION is how losing causes save face when an inevitable loss looms.

 

Statehood polling in PR has reached major new heights due to their debt crisis, so the anti-statehood people say they're "boycotting the referendum" since that lets them feel like they had some involvement in their ideas being rejected at the polls and has retards such as we see in this very thread thinking that the result was contingent on their 'boycott'.

 

I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying your analogy was shitty

 

 

For what it's worth, there's a big difference between:

 

"Some Puerto Ricans vote for US statehood"

 

and

 

"(Some) Puerto Ricans vote for US Statehood"

 

first is deliberately misleading. Second acknowledges the original and accurate headline, but adds an editorial nod to the content of the article in parenthesis. It's still a bit misleading, but it's cleaner than Bob's example above.

[Dubey 1,035]

Scary stuff in Virginia today.

[GOCUBSGO 77]

Thank you Dubey, I don't think I could have explained that any better than you just did.

 

Perhaps it is a little misleading and could have been worded more appropriately, but its certainly not crazy partisan narrative.

 

The use of (Some) immediately tipped me off as a reader that I could expect content explaining its use. The second paragraph in gives the actual results and additional context that explains the use of (Some).

 

You aren't completely wrong here Scrim, but you aren't right either.

[Essay21 2,385]

It's really too bad that at every incident now the only thing people seem to rush to know is was the killer white or black, left or right, etc. very sad state of affairs and part of the discussion you were having about the Puerto Rico headline. At some point the media stopped reporting what happened and started telling people why. They need to get back to reporting.

[Scrim 115]

The shooter in Virginia was a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer. That makes both the Racist Portland Train Stabber and the Virginia Attacker, Bernie Bros.

As in Portland, it is possible that minorities may have been targeted.

The left is becoming increasingly unhinged with these white male terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

 

Bernie Sanders has issued a condemnation of the attacks.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...ting/index.html

 

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," Sanders said.

[Dubey 1,035]

It's really too bad that at every incident now the only thing people seem to rush to know is was the killer white or black, left or right, etc. very sad state of affairs and part of the discussion you were having about the Puerto Rico headline. At some point the media stopped reporting what happened and started telling people why. They need to get back to reporting.

 

I agree.

 

 

The shooter in Virginia was a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer. That makes both the Racist Portland Train Stabber and the Virginia Attacker, Bernie Bros.

It is possible that minorities may have been targeted.

The left is becoming increasingly unhinged with these white male terrorist attacks.

 

 

 

 

oh, guess it's not just the media

[Dubey 1,035]

re: Bernie.

 

The democratic party is pretty centrist, so of course a more hard left candidate is going to garner the support of the extremists on that side. Painting the entire left with the brush strokes of a few lunatics is ridiculous of course, though not surprising, given your propensity for mass generalizations.

[Scrim 115]

re: Bernie.

 

The democratic party is pretty centrist, so of course a more hard left candidate is going to garner the support of the extremists on that side. Painting the entire left with the brush strokes of a few lunatics is ridiculous of course, though not surprising, given your propensity for mass generalizations.

 

Do you afford that same luxury of nuance when a white Trump voter does something awful in the name of right wing politics?

[Dubey 1,035]

 

 

Do you afford that same luxury of nuance when a white Trump voter does something awful in the name of right wing politics?

 

If a republican shot a bunch of Dems, I would not point to the American right and crucify them for it. There are lunatics on the fringes of both sides of the political spectrum.

 

However, there's a pretty broad range encompassed in "something awful". I don't give the right a pass for the alt-right, because that was a carefully cultivated and encouraged portion of Trump's base that a lot of people turned a blind eye to because they helped win an election. Nobody on the left -least of all Bernie freakin Sanders- is encouraging shooting Republicans.

[Scrim 115]

The alt right wasn't 'cultivated'.

 

It was a totally spontaneous and completely natural reaction to a cultural zeitgeist that goes out of its way to belittle and mock any white person who isn't a left wing social justice warrior. Things like auto racing, hunting, fishing and the outdoors, driving a pickup truck or knowing how to change your own oil, all sneered at by the left as 'ignorant redneck' stuff who then proceed to tell everyone's kids that the reason LaQuan can't read at grade level is because of slavery, the white kids are responsible for it all and Bruce Jenner in a dress is 'woman of the year'. That the 'smart ones' and 'educated ones' are the folks who spent $79,000 on their degree in Sociology while that guy who has seven plumbing trucks and clears seven figures a year, he's 'ignorant' and 'uneducated'.

 

Oh yeah, and gender matters more than everything else (if you're a woman) and every race is reminded incessantly that their own racial identity is the most important thing in the world, unless you're a white man in which case you may not have racial identity lest you be 'racist' and your whole existence is nothing more than a solemn debt owed to 'historically oppressed groups'.

 

The right didn't create the alt right. The left did... and people warned it was coming for a very long time.

The right of today is the left of the 1950's. The dissidents. The left has the same beliefs on social issues as Exxon, Wal Mart, Coca Cola and Monsanto.

 

That's why the left were free speech absolutists when they were the dissenters but now that they enjoy the benefit of having won the culture war, are absolutely, without an argument, the anti-speech advocates who demands silence or persecution of anyone who disagrees with their ideological narratives.

 

So, yeah. The Alt Right was not 'created' by anyone but a group of dissidents who, frankly, will continue to rapidly grow as the left pushes further and further into the hinterlands of cultural insanity. Wait and see. Generation Z is going to be something else. The Overton window will be torn in half, with the political centers somewhere around Socialist on the left and Alt-Lite on the right... but go ahead and continue to underestimate your enemy, writing them off as some political theater or 'political creation'.

 

The last time the left underestimated anything this badly was... this last November.

[Dubey 1,035]

Yeah, you've expressed your beliefs on the Left before. They are to blame for every tragedy in your eyes (I believe you blamed the Pulse shooting on the degradation of society as a result of leftist ideals if I remember correctly).

 

They were the insane ramblings of a twisted human then and they remain so today

[brvheart 1,752]

re: Bernie.

 

The democratic party is pretty centrist, so of course a more hard left candidate is going to garner the support of the extremists on that side. Painting the entire left with the brush strokes of a few lunatics is ridiculous of course, though not surprising, given your propensity for mass generalizations.

 

This was funny.

 

If a republican shot a bunch of Dems, I would not point to the American right and crucify them for it.

 

and I don't believe a shred of this to be truth.

[GOCUBSGO 77]

I bet he's crushed

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

Oh yeah, and gender matters more than everything else (if you're a woman) and every race is reminded incessantly that their own racial identity is the most important thing in the world, unless you're a white man in which case you may not have racial identity lest you be 'racist' and your whole existence is nothing more than a solemn debt owed to 'historically oppressed groups'.

 

That's why the left were free speech absolutists when they were the dissenters but now that they enjoy the benefit of having won the culture war, are absolutely, without an argument, the anti-speech advocates who demands silence or persecution of anyone who disagrees with their ideological narratives.

 

semantics of how the "alt right" came about aside, the above, to me, is undeniably true.

[Scrim 115]

Yeah, you've expressed your beliefs on the Left before. They are to blame for every tragedy in your eyes (I believe you blamed the Pulse shooting on the degradation of society as a result of leftist ideals if I remember correctly).

 

They were the insane ramblings of a twisted human then and they remain so today

 

Then use your words like a big boy and refute it with something even vaguely resembling logic.

You write it off as 'insane ramblings', even though we both know none of it is insane ramblings.

[Dubey 1,035]

 

 

This was funny.

 

 

 

and I don't believe a shred of this to be truth.

 

Yawn

[Dubey 1,035]

 

 

Then use your words like a big boy and refute it with something even vaguely resembling logic.

You write it off as 'insane ramblings', even though we both know none of it is insane ramblings.

 

 

There's nothing to refute. Your position isn't based on facts, there's no empirical evidence to support your position that "all of the world's evils stem from the erosion of our culture and the increasing prevalence of leftist ideology". it's based on how you view the world.

 

 

Did the alt-right come about in response to PC culture? Possibly. But Even if we accept that to be true, we couldn't possibly disagree more on who to "blame" it on.

 

 

 

[GOCUBSGO 77]

But Dubey, don't you know that if Scrim claims something to be true, you have to disprove it or his claim is valid??????

 

Geez man, come on.

[scuudagouch 15]

"the democratic party is pretty centrist"

 

the discussion started with a flawed, delusional statement....and never recovered.

 

Scrim is really on his game right now. Of course the competition is weak and the topic is undeniable

[Dubey 1,035]

Only somebody on the American right would view the Democrats as significantly left of centre. It's all perspective.

 

In pretty much any other democratic country, the American democrats would be considered fairly centrist.

[Scrim 115]

There's nothing to refute. Your position isn't based on facts, there's no empirical evidence to support your position that "all of the world's evils stem from the erosion of our culture and the increasing prevalence of leftist ideology". it's based on how you view the world.

 

 

Did the alt-right come about in response to PC culture? Possibly. But Even if we accept that to be true, we couldn't possibly disagree more on who to "blame" it on.

 

But Dubey, don't you know that if Scrim claims something to be true, you have to disprove it or his claim is valid??????

 

Geez man, come on.

 

You two are acting like retards, though, since I never claimed (or even vaguely implied) "all of the world's evils stem from the erosion of our culture and the increasing prevalence of leftist ideology". There are several issues the left gets correct that the right has completely wrong.

 

There are definitely some problems where a completely logical case can be made that the left is persisting in ideals in the face of evidence that their ideals create a shitty reality, though.

 

The left often exhibits a peculiar disdain for the application logic since logic undermines so much of their belief structure. This is why they demand 'studies' in the face of blatant empirical observations since 'studies' don't suffer from the same limits as logic and can be limitlessly nuanced so as to arrive at a desired conclusion. It's also why the social sciences are a complete joke, yet the left increasingly clings to that hoax institution as their only lifeline to anything that will let them persist in the belief that 'we're all equal, but here's a bible of excuses to explain why nothing we can measure demonstrates that empirically... because something-something history'.

 

So I make a case such as we see above, using pretty normal logic, you both crumble into gibbering tards with no logic to offer in refute.

 

In case you're wondering, the complexion of this discussion demonstrates why the modern left is anti-speech.

Because it winds up going about like this, every time.

 

- Facts

Left) MUH FEELINGS!

- But logic.

Left) MUH IDEALS!

- Sorry. Logic.

Left) SHUT UP!

- Reasoning

Left) SHOW ME A STUDY

 

 

Every. Single. Time.

[GOCUBSGO 77]

Except none of your ramblings ever resemble anything close to logic and you certainly never produce evidence to support your claims. Every one of your posts is simply you pretending like you have some inside knowledge or deeper understanding that the rest of the world lacks.

 

In reality, you just spew the same old Scrim BS and tout it as fact when it is anything but.

 

It's hard to refute illogical ramblings with no basis in reality, yet as I pointed out earlier, the inability to disprove a claim does not make said claim true.