bdc30 0 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 For a read, UTG in this hand is as LAG as they get. His vpip over 200 hands is 94% PFR is 88%.I've waaaaaay opened up my range against him. One thing I've noticed though is that he doesn't often pay off value bets. What are your thoughts, with another player in the hand?Poker StarsPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $44.20UTG+1: $50.75CO: $20.85Button: $23.90Hero: $54.85BB: $68.65Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 2 3 3 A UTG raises to $0.85, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.Flop: Q K 2 ($2.8, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1.95, Hero calls, UTG calls.Turn: J ($8.65, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.River: 5 ($8.65, 3 players)Hero checks, ?? Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 i probably pot the flop, you have a pretty big hand and want to put pressure on the fieldi would have bet the turn, you're giving a free card to two opponents and if one of them has two pair and the board pairs you could end up in no man's landand you have to try to get some value for this hand, so i bet the river for sure...even if he doesn't pay off you at least have to try to make some money here Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I am not potting this flop. We don't have a big hand , we have a naked FD. I want to see a turn as cheap as possible.I like a 5$ lead on turn. King and Jack are already out there so we are hoping a bet from Q or T high flush if we check. If you check turn , definitely bet river. Straights and lower flushes call a small bet on river at this stakes.****This hand is out of my even opened range. I fold pf. You will be forced to play bottom set , FD , or a very vulnarable straight OOP. But you already know this i don't know why i am telling you. Link to post Share on other sites
Skittles 0 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I am not potting this flop. We don't have a big hand , we have a naked FD. I want to see a turn as cheap as possible.I like a 5$ lead on turn. King and Jack are already out there so we are hoping a bet from Q or T high flush if we check. If you check turn , definitely bet river. Straights and lower flushes call a small bet on river at this stakes.****This hand is out of my even opened range. I fold pf. You will be forced to play bottom set , FD , or a very vulnarable straight OOP. But you already know this i don't know why i am telling you.I agree with everything said here. Potting this flop with a naked FD in the worst position on all the next rounds is bad. Usually building monsters OOP vs. Maniacs is not the optimal way to play them methinks. By leading the turn we don't necessarily say we have the nuts, whereas a check/call/lead or check/raise line might make it a near certainty. As played we don't dare want to risk a free showdown, I might make a deceptively small bet here hoping the LAGtard will read it as weakness and raise...but if you are pretty sure the maniac will bet, then this check is fine too. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I would normally bet half the pot or so on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 17, 2007 Author Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hand continued. Lagtard didn't bet out, but the other guy bets a quarter - wtf?Raise full pot, or try something for value? Turn: J ($8.65, 3 playersHero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.River: 5 ($8.65, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to ???? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Hand continued. Lagtard didn't bet out, but the other guy bets a quarter - wtf?Raise full pot, or try something for value?shove Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Minraise. Take that beeatch to valuetown. Either that or just call and hope for UTG to overcall.Or shove. Shove is good. Link to post Share on other sites
Zelphade 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 i think i would bet the turn for sure but im not sure how much... maybe half pot Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 Minraise. Take that beeatch to valuetown. Either that or just call and hope for UTG to overcall.I lol'd. You realize he bet a quarter in to a $9 pot? Valuetown for an extra 0.25? Overcall for another quarter?? lol (as an aside, why don't keyboards have a "cent" symbol???) Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I lol'd. You realize he bet a quarter in to a $9 pot? Valuetown for an extra 0.25? Overcall for another quarter?? lol (as an aside, why don't keyboards have a "cent" symbol???)Right over your head? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 No, thus me saying that I lol'd Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 No, thus me saying that I lol'dI miss the cent symbol as well.But not as much as the "therefore" symbol.... those threee dots arranged in a triangle used in math equations, mostlyhttp://www.pmel.org/HandBook/HBpage1.htm Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 But not as much as the "therefore" symbol.... those threee dots arranged in a triangle used in math equations, mostly∴It's a little small though. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 ∴It's a little small though.howdja do that? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I googled 'therefore symbol', then copy and pasted it. No magic trickery I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites
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