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#1 bdc30

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 12:42 AM

sorry guys, the converter hates me I think...I've cleaned it up as best I can though.Early in my session I pick up Pocket Kings in middleposition...what do you do on the flop?Texas Hold'em $2-$2 NL (real money), #1,135,944,672 Table Izmir, 4 Aug 2005 4:14 AM ET PRE-FLOP2 folds, Villain 1 ($193) bets $8, Villain 2 ($178) calls $8, MP calls $8, Hero ($280) (K :D K :club: ) calls $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, BB folds.FLOP 7 :D ,8 :D ,Q :) (pot $42)SB checks, V1 bets $26, V2 calls $26, MPfolds, hero.... EDIT---now with chipstack sizes...lol

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 01:02 AM

bdc30 said:

sorry guys, the converter hates me I think...I've cleaned it up as best I can though.Early in my session I pick up Pocket Kings in middleposition...what do you do on the flop?Texas Hold'em $2-$2 NL (real money),  #1,135,944,672  Table Izmir, 4 Aug 2005 4:14 AM ET      PRE-FLOP2 folds, Villain 1 bets $8, Villain 2 calls $8, MP calls $8,  Hero (K :D  K :club: ) calls $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, BB folds.FLOP  7 :D ,8 :D ,Q :)   (pot $42)SB checks, V1 bets $26, V2 calls $26, MPfolds, hero....      
hero...realises that he forgot to post stack sizes and reads.also kicks himself for not reraising preflop
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 01:03 AM

We need stack sizes, but you need a decent sized raise right here, I doubt your stack would be deep enough to make a big enough raise without committing you to the pot so I would probably say all in, without having the sizes of everyones stack. RE RAISE PREFLOP

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 01:10 AM

stack sizes are there now, sorryearly in session no good reads really

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 01:50 AM

you really don't want so many going to the flop with you. Why didn't you reraise the flop?? a significant amount too. Well since you didn't reraise before the flop then you need to make a big bet here on the flop ( shut the flush out get it down heads up ).. i might even move in.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 01:58 AM

you really don't want so many going to the flop with you. Why didn't you reraise the flop?? a significant amount too. Well since you didn't reraise before the flop then you need to make a big bet here on the flop ( shut the flush out get it down heads up ).. i might even move in.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 04:42 AM

Without a nice big PF reraise it's pretty hard to figure what I'd do on the flop.But, IMHO, if you are going to bet this flop, you have to overbet and make the draws pay. I think the only way to realistically accomplish this, and fully employ your fold equity would be to push. Unless they've got a set, they'd be making a mistake to call.Although this would be much easier if you had the redraw to the King of hearts, I think a push is still probably the appropriate play. I can't see folding an overpair to the board.... especially since the aggression could be coming from A-Q, and the call could be coming from a draw. You are ahead very often here, and should push out the draws.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 05:40 AM

i didnt see a vote for "go back in time and pre-flop raise cuz you got Pocket Kangs!"why let Ace-9 suited spike a cheap ace on you?????????

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 05:56 AM

allin preflop when the action gets to you
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:04 AM

I push all-in preflop here. The pots not bad here and I dont want to go to a flop with this many people. Besides if you get called (and you probably will), you're ahead of everything except AA.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:16 AM

All-in pre-flop.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:26 AM

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:30 AM

All in preflop? Are you guys serious?? Is anyone around here afraid to play poker anymore? It goes raised to $8, called twice, and people are suggesting to bet $280?? Raise it big preflop, like 50-70.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:34 AM

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All in preflop? Are you guys serious?? Is anyone around here afraid to play poker anymore? It goes raised to $8, called twice, and people are suggesting to bet $280??  Raise it big preflop, like 50-70.
there's $31 in the pot before hero even gets his chance to act, that's 15bb's, I'll push in evertime here.
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:35 AM

everytime

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:37 AM

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:38 AM

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All in preflop? Are you guys serious?? Is anyone around here afraid to play poker anymore? It goes raised to $8, called twice, and people are suggesting to bet $280??  Raise it big preflop, like 50-70.
there's $31 in the pot before hero even gets his chance to act, that's 15bb's, I'll push in evertime here.
You want calls here by AQ, AJ, TT. You're losing money by making such a huge overbet.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:38 AM

i wasn't correcting you. i was agreeing.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:40 AM

looshle said:

allinbluff35 said:

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All in preflop? Are you guys serious?? Is anyone around here afraid to play poker anymore? It goes raised to $8, called twice, and people are suggesting to bet $280??  Raise it big preflop, like 50-70.
there's $31 in the pot before hero even gets his chance to act, that's 15bb's, I'll push in evertime here.
You want calls here by AQ, AJ, TT. You're losing money by making such a huge overbet.
No. You want as much money in the pot as possible and as few opponents as possible. Push.

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Posted 04 August 2005 - 06:42 AM

mk said:

looshle said:

allinbluff35 said:

looshle said:

All in preflop? Are you guys serious?? Is anyone around here afraid to play poker anymore? It goes raised to $8, called twice, and people are suggesting to bet $280??  Raise it big preflop, like 50-70.
there's $31 in the pot before hero even gets his chance to act, that's 15bb's, I'll push in evertime here.
You want calls here by AQ, AJ, TT. You're losing money by making such a huge overbet.
No. You want as much money in the pot as possible and as few opponents as possible. Push.
You're losing a lot of money if you make plays like this every time. like they say it's about $ not pots. But I mean, if you like losing money continue with the massive overbets.




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