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[bull62]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:31 PM, said:

I would ask rdog if it's that time of the month, but someone his age should've hit menopause by now, right?(couldn't help myself)

I'm older than Rdog.

[Dratj]

bull62, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:32 PM, said:

Serious question. Is 10 tabling 6max really more work than 2 tabling HU? If we get away from ptbb and use hourly rate instead, how would this compare to hu?

I'm guessing yes.

bull62, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:33 PM, said:

I'm older than Rdog.

no way, how old are you?

[Acid_Knight]

bull62, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:32 PM, said:

Serious question. Is 10 tabling 6max really more work than 2 tabling HU? If we get away from ptbb and use hourly rate instead, how would this compare to hu?

I have no idea what it would take to 10 table 6m. I know that when I started playing online, I was 4 tabling and it was taking a decent bit of effort. When I switched to HU, I could only 1 table. I got to 2 tabling and evolved to where I don't lose anything playing 2 tables and I think I'm nearing the point where I can play 3 different opponents on 3 HU tables and not really lose much of a step. If I'm two tabling, it is actually very relaxing for me.As for my winrate, playing only 1/2, it was a shade over $100/hr or so I think. Now that I'm playing a mix of 1/2, 2/4 and 3/6, it's much higher. Since turning pro, my rate per hour since 9/1/08 is $240/hr. It says the average tables is 1.65, which means that I'm usually playing 1 guy and waiting for more action a lot of the time. Throw in a shade more for rake, and I'm out-earning my old job 8-1. LOL engineeringaments

[Acid_Knight]

bull62, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:33 PM, said:

I'm older than Rdog.

He seems grumpy tonight. You rarely do, aside from when you're posting some hands. :)I'm just having fun anyway. Everyone makes fun of his age and stuff, and I hadn't taken my shot yet.

[RDog]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:21 PM, said:

1. Holy hell, that's the number of hands I expect to play in 3 months2. That seems like a lot of work (volume of hands) for that profit3. The line is pretty straight and I have no idea if that's actually a good winrate or a bad one

The problem is you guys look at #2 like its a bad thing and you even say it there in a way that you see it that way. Just really LOL in what profession that work ethic is a bad thing. I don't look at the graphs you guys post and think "what a bunch of lazy ****s" and even go as far as to post it. Cause that is basically what Jordan did. I certainly don't think my way is the only way and hell, it might not be the best way. But acting like playing 10k hands of HU poker a month is the only admirable or the right approach to poker is LOL.

[bull62]

Dratj, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:35 PM, said:

no way, how old are you?

[chgocubs99]

I've now played 12k hands of HU and made $69.80, FYI.

[Dratj]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:38 PM, said:

$240/hr[/b]. It says the average tables is 1.65, which means that I'm usually playing 1 guy and waiting for more action a lot of the time. Throw in a shade more for rake, and I'm out-earning my old job 8-1. LOL engineeringaments

guess Jordan is a damn good coach or you are a damn good student.

[BaseJester]

RDog, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

Your calculations are close. There is also some 2/4 in there. And a couple thousand hands of lower limits from coaching sessions. And yes I would take a win rate like that for the rest of my life 10 tabling. Win rates mass tabling at 6m or FR are certainly never going to be anywhere close to 2 tabling HU. In the end I don't really care, all that matters is money.

That's like $150/hour, right? Sounds pretty darn good to me. Especially since your approach doesn't require you to keep a lot of capital tied up in a bankroll.

[Naismith]

Dratj, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 11:45 PM, said:

guess Jordan is a damn good coach or you are a damn good student.

Dude, Matt isn't even that good.

[Dratj]

bull62, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:44 PM, said:

that the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time, old greg.

[Dratj]

Naismith, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:53 PM, said:

Dude, Matt isn't even that good.

sw obv. right? $240/hr is good enough for me.

[Acid_Knight]

RDog, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:43 PM, said:

The problem is you guys look at #2 like its a bad thing and you even say it there in a way that you see it that way. Just really LOL in what profession that work ethic is a bad thing. I don't look at the graphs you guys post and think "what a bunch of lazy ****s" and even go as far as to post it. Cause that is basically what Jordan did. I certainly don't think my way is the only way and hell, it might not be the best way. But acting like playing 10k hands of HU poker a month is the only admirable or the right approach to poker is LOL.

I think you're inferring A LOT here. I think most of this whole disagreement or whatever we want to call it comes from the fact that HU players see that graph and think "holy shit, 58k hands" and instantly relate that to the same quantity of hands HU and FR or 6m players see a HU player's graph of 10k hands and chuckle at the lack of volume.The other day, it took me 6 hours to play 1660 hands. 6 HOURS. That's because I don't play every person that comes along and sometimes I have to wait for opponents. Getting in hands HU while game selecting involves more than just sitting down at the table because we have to find the right opponents. To play 58k hands would take an extraordinary amount of time and/or lack of game selection and/or massive multitabling.I mean, I already said it doesn't matter and I'm not even sure why we're having this back and forth. I just think you are coming off as overly sensitive about Jordan's comments.

[Acid_Knight]

Dratj, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:45 PM, said:

guess Jordan is a damn good coach or you are a damn good student.

I kind of stumbled across HU on my own. I was struggling to break even at 6m when I started on the stake with him, which surprised me since I thought I'd be better at it, but I sucked.I had a CR memebership and watched some of the videos and realized how to play fundamentally better at HU and I just developed my own style from there.Not to take anything away from Jordan or whatever, but he didn't really do that much coaching of my play.

[chgocubs99]

RDog, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:43 PM, said:

The problem is you guys look at #2 like its a bad thing and you even say it there in a way that you see it that way. Just really LOL in what profession that work ethic is a bad thing. I don't look at the graphs you guys post and think "what a bunch of lazy ****s" and even go as far as to post it. Cause that is basically what Jordan did. I certainly don't think my way is the only way and hell, it might not be the best way. But acting like playing 10k hands of HU poker a month is the only admirable or the right approach to poker is LOL.

I'm having a problem articulating my response to this post but I'm sorry if it seems jumbled. I'll disclaim it by saying I'm not reffering to Matt or Jordan at all, just responding to the post in general.Poker is weird. You are a rare breed that thinks of it is as a job. Most think of it as a way to spend only a few hours a day on average "working". That's not to say that people that think that way can't be as succesful or don't work hard on their game, but its just two different mindsets. A lot of it has to do with the gambling aspect of it, and I think a ton of it has to do with the age of the average poker player. Again, these are generalizations and I know there are young people that grind it like a 9-5 and don't live the usual lifestyle.One of my biggest problems with poker players in general is that almost all of them act like they are above anyone that works a real job. The arrogance and cockiness of their general attitude, combined with a lot of potential immaturity (usually because of age), and the aforementioned gambling aspect where it is suddenly cool to be a "degenerate", and what do you get? Arrogant young people with a shitload of money who don't think of it as a real job, and think that anyone that has a real job is beneath them.

[Acid_Knight]

chgocubs99, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:45 PM, said:

I've now played 12k hands of HU and made $69.80, FYI.

I'm not a good coach.

[Suited_Up]

chgocubs99, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:45 PM, said:

I've now played 12k hands of HU and made $69.80, FYI.

Maybe I should coach you. lol.

[Acid_Knight]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:58 PM, said:

You're not a good student?

FYP?

[Acid_Knight]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 9:00 PM, said:

FYP?

Maybe we need to get more time in.

[Suited_Up]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:21 PM, said:

So, whatever. Winrates are higher HU. Variance is lower at 6m. You actually earn rakeback (or your pokerstars point equivilant) which is a HUGE amount of money on a monthly basis for you. I'm happy with my winrate HU. You're happy with your winrate at your games. What else matters?

I wanna go back to this though.I have yet to see this actually be the case. Can someone show me evidence of this unless the person is terrible?