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[Speedy Petey]

In my opinion it was when he failed to call a Moon's raise with the pocket fours from the small blind. You HAVE to make that call with a small pair against a guy with all those chips. Especially when you already have some money in the pot. If he would have made the call and check called the flop it would be Kopp with the monster stack on Saturday and Moon would be watching from the rail. I can't see how Moon does not loose at least most of his stack when he turns tptk then rivers trips. What do you guys think?

[I_fold08]

2nd

[Balloon guy]

Speedy Petey, on Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 3:06 PM, said:

In my opinion it was when he failed to call a Moon's raise with the pocket fours from the small blind. You HAVE to make that call with a small pair against a guy with all those chips. Especially when you already have some money in the pot. If he would have made the call and check called the flop it would be Kopp with the monster stack on Saturday and Moon would be watching from the rail. I can't see how Moon does not loose at least most of his stack when he turns tptk then rivers trips. What do you guys think?

I don't understand your use of the phrase 'Have To'There is value in making the final table, and in making the final table with a big stack.the value to mix it up on speculation with the guy who has a stack big enough to send you packing is less than the other value in my book.

[Speedy Petey]

Kopp still had a lot of chips. Making a call there to see if you flop a set and just folding and getting out of the way if there is any action if you don't is a must in my book. The implied odds are too big not to and he could have afforded to call the raise and see a flop with no problem.

[Balloon guy]

Speedy Petey, on Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 3:15 PM, said:

Kopp still had a lot of chips. Making a call there to see if you flop a set and just folding and getting out of the way if there is any action if you don't is a must in my book. The implied odds are too big not to and he could have afforded to call the raise and see a flop with no problem.

Implied odds is a phrase used by gamblers to justify bad decisions.Be less willing to use it in your arguments

[Speedy Petey]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 4:20 PM, said:

Implied odds is a phrase used by gamblers to justify bad decisions.Be less willing to use it in your arguments

You are kidding right?

[nutzbuster]

lol.

[king_tanner]

I know final table is coming up and people are freaking out, but there are like 5 WSOP threads on the front page.I dont have a problem with him folding pocket 4's. Could have got away from the 5-3 though.

[TheWynn]

Darvin Moon's comments on this hand:From Pokernews

[Sick Boy]

Thanks for putting on spoiler alert.

[TheWynn]

Sick Boy, on Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 7:34 AM, said:

Thanks for putting on spoiler alert.

This wasn't at the final table.

[Balloon guy]

Speedy Petey, on Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 3:21 PM, said:

You are kidding right?

Completely deadly seriousI there is any doubt in your mind than I want you to think about when you will be watching the ME, and realize that Kopp is doing the same thing...watching itFrom the link above:

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And that leads me to the next thing. I mean, people have kind of, and I’m sure Billy Kopp is kicking himself in the ear about this, quite a few times, but how do you make that hard of a play on a guy that has literally barely played a hand and has never made a move as far as anybody can see.I don’t know. I just think it was one hand. The whole tournament he played perfect poker up to there and one hand got away from him and it’s sad that it cost him $400K. He walked away with eight hundred and some thousand and could have walked away with $1.2 million. That one hand cost him.And he could probably fall asleep at the final table and make it to third or fourth with that chip stack.

[WhatArunAA]

idk, i really feel for Billy Kopp.. it realyl was a sick spot .. I think bet folding the turn is probably the best line to take, shoving the turn is absolutely awful, nothing worse ever calls.

[Fluffdog87]

Darvin Moon vs. Billy Kopp: The $45 Million Dollar Hand Revisitedhttp://www.pokernews...evisit-7492.htm

[Pivvy2001]

Fluffdog87, on Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 9:09 PM, said:

Darvin Moon vs. Billy Kopp: The $45 Million Dollar Hand Revisitedhttp://www.pokernews...evisit-7492.htm

While it is very possible he is using this interview to create a certain image for himself, Moon certainly does not make himself seem like a strong player based on that interview. Especially since he was unaware of the board in a HUGE hand and because he improperly calculated the pot size to justify his other call (which is a call I agree with, btw, but thought his math is incorrect in the interview).

[colonel Feathers]

Im sure flames are on the way, however, if I just spent 8 long days at the ME, got myself into an almost assured final table position with 20 mill or so in chips, and I am in a pot with the only guy who can bust me,I would seriously consider folding quads to an all in bet if the board had 3 consecutive suits.

[Balloon guy]

colonel Feathers, on Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 10:25 AM, said:

Im sure flames are on the way, however, if I just spent 8 long days at the ME, got myself into an almost assured final table position with 20 mill or so in chips, and I am in a pot with the only guy who can bust me,I would seriously consider folding quads to an all in bet if the board had 3 consecutive suits.

What about the implied odds though?sorry Pivvy, just couldn't resist

[colonel Feathers]

Balloon guy, on Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

What about the implied odds though?sorry Pivvy, just couldn't resist

I would be more concerned about my mental state if the guy had a straight flush.

[Balloon guy]

colonel Feathers, on Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 10:32 AM, said:

I would be more concerned about my mental state if the guy had a 6 high flush.

fyp for Kopp

[colonel Feathers]

Balloon guy, on Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 10:35 AM, said:

fyp for Kopp

BWAAAAAAHAAAATough, but fair