Guess The Range.

[SuperJon 175]

Villain is 49/35 with a fold to 3bet of 80What range do we give him, and what range should we be calling with?Converted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersButton: $50.00 SB: $52.65 (Hero)BB: $62.70 UTG: $62.05 UTG+1: $30.35 CO: $158.45 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with :X :X (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3.50Flop: ($10.50) (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checksTurn: ($10.50) (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $25.35 and is all-in, Hero foldsUTG+1 collected $10(Rake: $0.50)

[fighter 4]

assuming a massive sample. He is only calling 3bets with 7% of possible hands because of his high fold to 3bet. Since he is folding too often preflop, 3balling ATC and giving up when he calls is a profitable strategy. Anything that happens afterward doesn't really matter from balance and range perspectives since you are already exploiting him. I think you can never have stonger then A2-A8. While it is possible you might check a hand like a set or flush draw on flop, you wouldn't check twice without a read as you are never slow playing in this spot especially against a fishy type player on a two flush board with KQ8 straight outs. He can have KQ, 87, T9, JT, TT. Since you are rarely calling a normal sized bet anyway, I don't mind him just shoving since you can easily level yourself into doing something silly with a pot controlling type hand (KK,QQ,KJ,QJ). He could also use the "I don't want to get sucked out on" logic that fish love. While it might be exploitable to have a range which can never call a shove here, this player will rarely be good enough to take advantage of it anyway.

[any2canlose 0]

assuming a massive sample. He is only calling 3bets with 7% of possible hands because of his high fold to 3bet. Since he is folding too often preflop, 3balling ATC and giving up when he calls is a profitable strategy. Anything that happens afterward doesn't really matter from balance and range perspectives since you are already exploiting him.

The 80% fold to 3 bets/7% of all possible hands is very deceptive because of his huge VPIP. You really need to know his fold to 3 bet in position stat for monkey 3 betting to be automatically profitable OOP...it most likely isnt.Checking the flop looks extremely weak here, because you're saying you have a hand that isnt worth protecting against that very wet board, so youre playing mid-pairs and weakish Aces face up. When youre OOP against a super loose PF player, cbetting is almost mandatory except for balancing plays. Against a somewhat drier board not Cbetting might look suspicious and slow an agg down but here slowplaying anything real is ridiculous because the only hands that fold to a bet are hands without huge draws that perceive they can beat you, so you may as well bet out even with a monster.Since checking the flop is such a bad play with almost any hand, its hard to put a range on what you call the turn shove with. He could have total garbage because you look weak and the board is threatening, he could be on a semibluff with 7 million outs, or he could have the nut straight. Since its a total guess, Im probably not doubling this donkey up without at least a pair of Js and a draw to the flush, Ace paint, or KK, QQ. There will be lots of opportunity to pick up his stacks in position.

[fighter 4]

The 80% fold to 3 bets/7% of all possible hands is very deceptive because of his huge VPIP. You really need to know his fold to 3 bet in position stat for monkey 3 betting to be automatically profitable OOP...it most likely isnt.

I disagree. For him to have a over fold to 3bet of 80% but only have a fold to 3bet of 65% or so in pos is highly unlikely. Also to auto cbet this flop when he folds so much pre flop (giving him a tight range ) is a mistake. He will not fold often enough when you completely miss this flop.

[rrumsey 0]

so why didnt you cbet the flop? not saying it may or may not have been correct but just wondering

[any2canlose 0]

I disagree. For him to have a over fold to 3bet of 80% but only have a fold to 3bet of 65% or so in pos is highly unlikely. Also to auto cbet this flop when he folds so much pre flop (giving him a tight range ) is a mistake. He will not fold often enough when you completely miss this flop.

You didnt disagree! Must be an Aussie English problem!

[fighter 4]

The 80% fold to 3 bets/7% of all possible hands is very deceptive because of his huge VPIP. You really need to know his fold to 3 bet in position stat for monkey 3 betting to be automatically profitable OOP...it most likely isnt.Checking the flop looks extremely weak here, because you're saying you have a hand that isnt worth protecting against that very wet board, so youre playing mid-pairs and weakish Aces face up. When youre OOP against a super loose PF player, cbetting is almost mandatory except for balancing plays. Against a somewhat drier board not Cbetting might look suspicious and slow an agg down but here slowplaying anything real is ridiculous because the only hands that fold to a bet are hands without huge draws that perceive they can beat you, so you may as well bet out even with a monster.Since checking the flop is such a bad play with almost any hand, its hard to put a range on what you call the turn shove with. He could have total garbage because you look weak and the board is threatening, he could be on a semibluff with 7 million outs, or he could have the nut straight. Since its a total guess, Im probably not doubling this donkey up without at least a pair of Js and a draw to the flush, Ace paint, or KK, QQ. There will be lots of opportunity to pick up his stacks in position.

I disagree. For him to have a over fold to 3bet of 80% but only have a fold to 3bet of 65% or so in pos is highly unlikely. Also to auto cbet this flop when he folds so much pre flop (giving him a tight range ) is a mistake. He will not fold often enough when you completely miss this flop.

You didnt disagree! Must be an Aussie English problem!

.........right

[Danege 1]

I disagree with fighter. Just cause.