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#1 Zach6668

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Posted 01 January 2007 - 09:53 PM

Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $3/$68 playersConverterPre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with Q :D K :D UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Flop: K :club: 8 :D 7 :) (11SB, 5 players)SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Turn: 3 :D (11.5BB, 4 players)UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to UTG.Results:Final pot: 13.5BBOpine?Villain 22/7.5/1.57 after 67 hands, fwiw.At first I was mostly concerned with the turn, but looking again, flop is definitely interesting as well.
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Posted 01 January 2007 - 10:00 PM

Yup. From his stats he doesnt look like a nut and you would have to be insane to c/r that turn without atleast two pair, but I dont think there are any two pair combinations he could have according to his stats so I think you are probably drawing dead. When he calls 3 bets cold on the flop he has a flush or a set almost all the time, sometimes T9s, but hes not doing that on the turn with T9.I like the flop play. When its checked to you on the turn Id probably bet, but im not sure how we are ever winning. Checking seems too weak. What are we doing if we are just called on the turn and the river bricks?

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Posted 01 January 2007 - 10:08 PM

View PostMoneyball16, on Tuesday, January 2nd, 2007, 1:00 AM, said:

When its checked to you on the turn Id probably bet, but im not sure how we are ever winning. Checking seems too weak. What are we doing if we are just called on the turn and the river bricks?
I would almost definitely bet the river if we are checked to again. It's a stubborn Kx at that point almost all the time.
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Posted 01 January 2007 - 10:11 PM

View PostZach6668, on Monday, January 1st, 2007, 11:08 PM, said:

I would almost definitely bet the river if we are checked to again. It's a stubborn Kx at that point almost all the time.
I would bet the river aswell, but I think we are called by a scared hand that has us beat alot.

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 12:16 AM

Everything looks fine here.

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 12:27 AM

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Posted 02 January 2007 - 02:29 AM

Looks standard. Against a tight-passive player like this, we're up against a flush > 90% of the time, and we're actually ahead probably 1% or 2% of the time tops. Good fold. As for the flop, I think you have to three-bet there and try to give yourself a chance to knock out some players. Wouldn't do anything different.
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Posted 04 January 2007 - 12:59 PM

View PostZach6668, on Monday, January 1st, 2007, 10:08 PM, said:

I would almost definitely bet the river if we are checked to again. It's a stubborn Kx at that point almost all the time.
Would KJ really check-cold call 3 bets on the flop?I would have a very difficult time value betting the river in that example.I feel that Villain either missed whatever he was drawing at or he is way ahead.--CM

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Posted 04 January 2007 - 01:32 PM

View PostCoranMoran, on Thursday, January 4th, 2007, 3:59 PM, said:

Would KJ really check-cold call 3 bets on the flop?I would have a very difficult time value betting the river in that example.I feel that Villain either missed whatever he was drawing at or he is way ahead.--CM
I've seen it done with K4o on a similar board on AP, I imagine donks do it enough on Stars.
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