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Phil Ivey Wins 7.3M In Two Nights At London Casino, And Casino Not Paying


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#41 David_Sklansky

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:20 PM

The cheaters who I think casino are more afraid of are outsiders who haven't had a chance to get addicted to gambling. Maybe Ivey or Archie or whoever can do as much damage in a night as ten thousand card counting software engineers from Iowa could back in the day, but those guys took their money home to buy collectible Dilbert figurines or whatever, whereas the real ballers are sick, sick people.
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:21 PM

View PostDavid_Sklansky, on 12 April 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

The cheaters who I think casino are more afraid of are outsiders who haven't had a chance to get addicted to gambling. Maybe Ivey or Archie or whoever can do as much damage in a night as ten thousand card counting software engineers from Iowa could back in the day, but those guys took their money home to buy collectible Dilbert figurines or whatever, whereas the real ballers are sick, sick people.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:01 AM

I got heaved for counting on a low limit BJ table just for running progressive bets. (And counting.,, with a bored prostitite... and heroin,,.)

I can't imagine Ivey playing at those levels isn't being watched closer than a junior high boys swim team at the NAMBLA pool.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 08:22 AM

View PostPotomophobia, on 12 April 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

Okay, I'm certainly no expert in high stakes gambling. (BTW.. the Borgata is in Jersey, where Ivey cut his teeth, not Vegas.)

But I will give credence to the theory that the casino will angle-shoot as well with refusal to pay or litigation.

Just another reason why I don't play poker or gamble for a living.

Absolutely agree. The argument can be made that perhaps in a moral sense what Ivey did was wrong, but how can it be illegal? If he played no part in the cards being flawed, it is on the casino 100% imo. The dealers are supposed to check the cards when they're brought into the game. Plus, at a game of those stakes, the pit boss should also be looking over the dealer's shoulder and security should be monitoring it all.

I will go a step further and say that any casino that was using that series of cards after Phil's run in with the London casino is run by idiots. I guarantee that if Ivey had lost $10,000,000 the Borgata would not be offering him a refund. I know it's a hard loss to stomach, but they should eat it and go after Gemaco to recoup the money.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:03 AM

View Postpoker_tim, on 14 April 2014 - 08:22 AM, said:

Absolutely agree. The argument can be made that perhaps in a moral sense what Ivey did was wrong, but how can it be illegal?

I'm going to stake a stab and guess that the casinos have a significant lobbying presence in NJ.

Ivey is a hustler, the casinos are hustlers, it's all in the game.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:19 AM

View PostDavid_Sklansky, on 14 April 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

Ivey is a hustler, the casinos are hustlers, it's all in the game.

That's it in a nutshell.

Doesn't EA sports use a version of that in their commercials?
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:31 PM

it's all fun and angle shoots until the casinos start banning you.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 04:41 PM

Ivey just followed me on Twitter. He can't be that bad.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:51 PM

View PostNarum, on 14 April 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

Ivey just followed me on Twitter. He can't be that bad.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:39 PM

View PostAmScray, on 14 April 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

I got heaved for counting on a low limit BJ table just for running progressive bets. (And counting.,, with a bored prostitite... and heroin,,.)

I can't imagine Ivey playing at those levels isn't being watched closer than a junior high boys swim team at the NAMBLA pool.

Did they let you keep the winnings? As I understood it casinos let you keep your winnings even if you're accused of card counting at BJ, since it can't be proven and it's not really cheating unless you are also colluding with other players at the table. They can of course kick you out and say you're never welcome back, but I didn't think they could keep your winnings unless they can prove something more than just having a brilliant memory. But maybe I'm wrong.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 08:04 PM

a clever forgery. but i've seen beans whip up better after a dozen coronas.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:47 PM

View Posttimwakefield, on 14 April 2014 - 07:39 PM, said:

Did they let you keep the winnings? As I understood it casinos let you keep your winnings even if you're accused of card counting at BJ, since it can't be proven and it's not really cheating unless you are also colluding with other players at the table. They can of course kick you out and say you're never welcome back, but I didn't think they could keep your winnings unless they can prove something more than just having a brilliant memory. But maybe I'm wrong.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:41 PM

View PostSuitedAces21, on 14 April 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

a clever forgery. but i've seen beans whip up better after a dozen coronas.

You're welcome to check out my followers on Twitter yourself. <3

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 05:10 AM

Don't trust him Suited. He probably just forged Twitter. Or hacked someone's screen name and then changed the profile pic.

Or maybe he found someone obscure Ivey was already following and then made his FCP account with the same gay Korean avatar and name.

You just can't trust the internet anymore. It's not like the good old days.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:57 AM

Only person I trust is you brvy. And Jesus of course.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:04 AM

View Postbrvheart, on 15 April 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

Don't trust him Suited. He probably just forged Twitter. Or hacked someone's screen name and then changed the profile pic.

Or maybe he found someone obscure Ivey was already following and then made his FCP account with the same gay Korean avatar and name.

You just can't trust the internet anymore. It's not like the good old days.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:41 AM

Fresh fish, we're reeling em in.

Nice tats though. We used to have a guy around here who had tats and loved a tranny that looked an awful lot like you. No offense, she was hot.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 08:48 AM

View PostEssay21, on 15 April 2014 - 08:41 AM, said:

Fresh fish, we're reeling em in.

Nice tats though. We used to have a guy around here who had tats and loved a tranny that looked an awful lot like you. No offense, she was hot.

I'm not entirely sure if you're being witty or not...

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:08 AM

When I get home I'll give you the link to the thread. It was from maybe 5 years ago. It's in off topic general if you wanna look. It was bumped recently.




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