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[bascomeb]

Dutch Boyd asked the question if you have Ak in the bb and the sb pushes all in with QJ on the very first hand of the main event, would you call? I was shocked to hear Gavin Smith and Sebok say that they wouldnt call! I have read the Matros article and I can't believe these pros said they would give up that edge to double up their chips? Seriously no one is this good to give up on this edge.

[Mercury69]

That's not much of an edge.Oh, wait, it is! 64% to 35% or thereabouts. Stupid donkey pros!

[insano]

Yea but what he said after that made a lot of sense as well.Doubling up there is not going to help you enough in the long run to justify the call.

[solo319]

So your saying you dont think there will be a better spot in the tournament then getting your money in as a 60/40 favorite.........wow ur sick dude

[ForRealDD]

bascomeb, on Friday, July 14th, 2006, 11:46 AM, said:

Dutch Boyd asked the question if you have Ak in the bb and the sb pushes all in with QJ on the very first hand of the main event, would you call? I was shocked to hear Gavin Smith and Sebok say that they wouldnt call! I have read the Matros article and I can't believe these pros said they would give up that edge to double up their chips? Seriously no one is this good to give up on this edge.

Ask yourself this. If someone is going to be pushing in every hour, on the hour with Q-J face up, and you have AK , do you call everytime? If so, how long into day1 do you last ?

[Desslock]

bascomeb, on Friday, July 14th, 2006, 10:46 AM, said:

I was shocked to hear Gavin Smith and Sebok say that they wouldnt call! I have read the Matros article and I can't believe these pros said they would give up that edge to double up their chips? Seriously no one is this good to give up on this edge.

Yeah, because Gavin Smith is such a chump compared to Matt Matros, lol. Almost no pros would call there.

[bascomeb]

solo319, on Saturday, July 15th, 2006, 2:53 AM, said:

So your saying you dont think there will be a better spot in the tournament then getting your money in as a 60/40 favorite.........wow ur sick dude

anybody have the link to matros article. i'm going to go find it now

[Mercury69]

This thread will indicate who has cojones and who is a great big walking vagina (sorry, ladies).

[bascomeb]

Here we go guyshttp://www.cardplaye...e/article/15093if after reading this about a coinflip you still think you should fold AK then your ego is way too big

[TB17]

http://dvtmno.ytmnd.com/

[bascomeb]

TB17, on Saturday, July 15th, 2006, 2:57 AM, said:

http://dvtmno.ytmnd.com/

why because your so good that you can pass up a 60/40 edge?seriously look at the math, it speaks for itself

ForRealDD, on Saturday, July 15th, 2006, 2:53 AM, said:

Ask yourself this. If someone is going to be pushing in every hour, on the hour with Q-J face up, and you have AK , do you call everytime? If so, how long into day1 do you last ?

in the long run longer then the average pro

[ForRealDD]

bascomeb, on Friday, July 14th, 2006, 11:57 AM, said:

Here we go guyshttp://www.cardplaye...e/article/15093if after reading this about a coinflip you still think you should fold AK then your ego is way too big

You didn't answer my question .....do the math...how long before you're crippled and busted. As far as ego goes, it has nothing to do with that. If you are a player that jumps at the chance to put every chip in front of you in the pot preflop with AK , I assure you , you are not going to consistently cash or win in tournaments.

[doublemeup]

I agree with Gavin, only QQ, KK, and AA I would call with there.

[rogerwilco]

ForRealDD, on Friday, July 14th, 2006, 8:53 PM, said:

Ask yourself this. If someone is going to be pushing in every hour, on the hour with Q-J face up, and you have AK , do you call everytime? If so, how long into day1 do you last ?

I do, every single time. Chances are, I won't make it very far, but if I do get lucky and double up once every hour, assuming day one takes 10 hours, I'll have about about 10 million chips (or 12,5% of all the chips in the tournament), which is a chance I'd easily be willing to make. ;)More likely though is, that if I survive the first couple allins I'll have a big enough stack, that losing an allin won't hurt me.But then, maybe Smith really is good enough to accumulate chips without taking risks.

[ForRealDD]

bascomeb, on Friday, July 14th, 2006, 12:01 PM, said:

in the long run longer then the average pro

Ok, your credibility just went down the shitter

rogerwilco, on Friday, July 14th, 2006, 12:02 PM, said:

I do, every single time. Chances are, I won't make it very far, but if I do get lucky and double up once every hour, assuming day one takes 10 hours, I'll have about about 10 million chips (or 12,5% of all the chips in the tournament), which is a chance I'd easily be willing to make. But then, maybe Smith really is good enough to accumulate chips without taking risks.

Thank you and good day.

[bascomeb]

ForRealDD, on Saturday, July 15th, 2006, 3:01 AM, said:

You didn't answer my question .....do the math...how long before you're crippled and busted. As far as ego goes, it has nothing to do with that. If you are a player that jumps at the chance to put every chip in front of you in the pot preflop with AK , I assure you , you are not going to consistently cash or win in tournaments.

when I have a 2:1 edge, yes yes i do.Are u the guy who stalls around bubble time to just cash?seriously the math speaks for itself realdd.

[solo319]

**** it why even play poker just shove in every hand and hope for a coinflip....dude your idol matt matros gets way to caught up in slight edges

[bascomeb]

doublemeup, on Saturday, July 15th, 2006, 3:02 AM, said:

I agree with Gavin, only QQ, KK, and AA I would call with there.

u might want to change your specialty then in your signature

[rogerwilco]

ForRealDD, on Friday, July 14th, 2006, 9:01 PM, said:

You didn't answer my question .....do the math...how long before you're crippled and busted. As far as ego goes, it has nothing to do with that. If you are a player that jumps at the chance to put every chip in front of you in the pot preflop with AK , I assure you , you are not going to consistently cash or win in tournaments.

I haven't listened to this circuit episode yet, but the way I understand the OP,you know you are up against QJ and not against a random hand, that makes a huge difference, don't you think?

[bascomeb]

solo319, on Saturday, July 15th, 2006, 3:05 AM, said:

**** it why even play poker just shove in every hand and hope for a coinflip....dude your idol matt matros gets way to caught up in slight edges

to make money. When you have an edge you make money

rogerwilco, on Saturday, July 15th, 2006, 3:06 AM, said:

I haven't listened to this circuit episode yet, but the way I understand the OP,you know you are up against QJ and not against a random hand, that makes a huge difference, don't you think?

o yea of course. u know you are up against QJ