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[omahahilo]

I'm not upset, you can flame if you wish, but I'm gonna ask.At what money level do you reach players who wont push all in with just a Jack hi flush draw with just the river to come?Curious,Matt

[JMoney2681]

omahahilo, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:12 PM, said:

I'm not upset, you can flame if you wish, but I'm gonna ask.At what money level do you reach players who wont push all in with just a Jack hi flush draw with just the river to come?Curious,Matt

Never. Everything in poker is situational. Sometimes pushing with a flush draw on the river is their best play. Usually not, but sometimes it is.

[omahahilo]

I'm sorry I didn't say that correctly. I meant what level would people stop CALLING with only a Jack hi flush draw.I understand that pushing with it is differant depending on position etc ...Matt

[JMoney2681]

omahahilo, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:16 PM, said:

I'm sorry I didn't say that correctly. I meant what level would people stop CALLING with only a Jack hi flush draw.I understand that pushing with it is differant depending on position etc ...Matt

Well this depends on pot odds and implied odds? LOL.

[_Great_Dane_]

JMoney2681, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:17 AM, said:

Well this depends on pot odds and implied odds? LOL.

Exactly !!!

[HoosierAlum]

omahahilo, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 12:12 AM, said:

I'm not upset, you can flame if you wish, but I'm gonna ask.At what money level do you reach players who wont push all in with just a Jack hi flush draw with just the river to come?Curious,Matt

You hate $ right?

[_Great_Dane_]

HoosierAlum, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:22 AM, said:

You hate $ right?

He probably is like me - tired of them hitting it on the river !!!

[omahahilo]

No ... I hate when I get knocked out of tourney after tourney this way.I will set it up for you.I am UTG and I get AK suited I have 1250 in front of me. I raise to 200 with the blinds at 25-50. All fold to the button who calls with his stack of 1350. Both blinds fold.The flop comes down K-8-6 rainbow. I make a 150 chip bet to knock out the straight draw. Button calls.The turn brings a 2. Now the 8 and 6 are suited in spades. I assume that there is a whole host of draws out there I push all in. Button calls.His hand is turned up J-3 spades ... river is a spade. I'm out. So ... tell me what I did wrong here.Matt

[sholden]

omahahilo, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:16 PM, said:

I'm sorry I didn't say that correctly. I meant what level would people stop CALLING with only a Jack hi flush draw.I understand that pushing with it is differant depending on position etc ...Matt

Hopefully never.

[borinka99]

you should want them to call whenever they aren't getting proper odds to call.

[crocd99]

omahahilo, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:26 AM, said:

No ... I hate when I get knocked out of tourney after tourney this way.I will set it up for you.I am UTG and I get AK suited I have 1250 in front of me. I raise to 200 with the blinds at 25-50. All fold to the button who calls with his stack of 1350. Both blinds fold.The flop comes down K-8-6 rainbow. I make a 150 chip bet to knock out the straight draw. Button calls.The turn brings a 2. Now the 8 and 6 are suited in spades. I assume that there is a whole host of draws out there I push all in. Button calls.His hand is turned up J-3 spades ... river is a spade. I'm out. So ... tell me what I did wrong here.Matt

well the first thing you did wrong was let someone change some of the flop cards after the turn was dealt. you shouldnt let that happen and if it does happen you should probably say something

[DmsTips]

omahahilo, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:26 AM, said:

No ... I hate when I get knocked out of tourney after tourney this way.I will set it up for you.I am UTG and I get AK suited I have 1250 in front of me. I raise to 200 with the blinds at 25-50. All fold to the button who calls with his stack of 1350. Both blinds fold.The flop comes down K-8-6 rainbow. I make a 150 chip bet to knock out the straight draw. Button calls.The turn brings a 2. Now the 8 and 6 are suited in spades. I assume that there is a whole host of draws out there I push all in. Button calls.His hand is turned up J-3 spades ... river is a spade. I'm out. So ... tell me what I did wrong here.Matt

I must be doing something wrong, i love when they make that call : \

[omahahilo]

Alright dammit I apologise again ...I meant to say the 6 and the 2 are suited in spades.Go ahead and take your shots. I give up. I'm trying to ask a serious question and you just wanna **** with me so good ... have your fun.Matt

[JMoney2681]

omahahilo, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:26 PM, said:

No ... I hate when I get knocked out of tourney after tourney this way.I will set it up for you.Matt

Well was it a rainbow flop or not? Secondly, sometimes you still lose even when you did nothing wrong. Sometimes flush draws hit and you lose, and there is nothing you can do when donkeys make -EV situations that hit.

[sholden]

omahahilo, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:26 PM, said:

No ... I hate when I get knocked out of tourney after tourney this way.I will set it up for you.I am UTG and I get AK suited I have 1250 in front of me. I raise to 200 with the blinds at 25-50. All fold to the button who calls with his stack of 1350. Both blinds fold.The flop comes down K-8-6 rainbow. I make a 150 chip bet to knock out the straight draw. Button calls.The turn brings a 2. Now the 8 and 6 are suited in spades. I assume that there is a whole host of draws out there I push all in. Button calls.His hand is turned up J-3 spades ... river is a spade. I'm out. So ... tell me what I did wrong here.Matt

Firstly 150 into a 475 pot does not "knock out the straight draw". over 4:1 is good enough for essentially every draw possible - especially when there's another 900 in your stack to win.Secondly it can't be a rainbow flop if the 8 and 6 are both spades. If they were both spades then a call by J-3 spades on the flop was correct - due to your tiny bet.Thirdly you want the call on turn, you're 80% to win - it's not often you get your money in that good...

[JMoney2681]

omahahilo, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 10:34 PM, said:

Alright dammit I apologise again ...I meant to say the 6 and the 2 are suited in spades.Go ahead and take your shots. I give up. I'm trying to ask a serious question and you just wanna **** with me so good ... have your fun.Matt

It's not that, but how can we take you seriously if everytime you post you mess up on very vital information? Slow down and proof read before you send a new one out!

[omahahilo]

JMoney2681, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:35 PM, said:

Well was it a rainbow flop or not? Secondly, sometimes you still lose even when you did nothing wrong. Sometimes flush draws hit and you lose, and there is nothing you can do when donkeys make -EV situations that hit.

Yes, I apologise, for being an idiot. The flop was rainbow and the 2 made the flush draw possible it suited the 6 I'm sorry.But sometimes ... I always lose to these draws. Seriously, in the last week I have played 25+ tournaments and have been knocked out of at least 18 of them by draws hitting on the river just like this.Matt

[crocd99]

omahahilo, on Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 1:34 AM, said:

Alright dammit I apologise again ...I meant to say the 6 and the 2 are suited in spades.Go ahead and take your shots. I give up. I'm trying to ask a serious question and you just wanna **** with me so good ... have your fun.Matt

take is easy man just joking around, but ok man i will give a serious answer. dont complain about these calls. you seriously want them like others have said. yeah it sucks when they seem to suck out over and over but in the long run it wont happen. when it does happen just shake it off and think about all the times in the long run they just end up donating chips too you.for some reason a lot of people only remember the bad beat that knocked them out like that hand you explained above. but if you really sit down and think about all your hands or get the hh from the tourney and all of you tournies you will see that it doesnt happen as often as you think but most of the times you just seem to not remember the times they dont hit because they arent suppose to. the only hands the stick out in your mind are the bad beats.

[omahahilo]

sholden, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:36 PM, said:

Firstly 150 into a 475 pot does not "knock out the straight draw". over 4:1 is good enough for essentially every draw possible - especially when there's another 900 in your stack to win.Secondly it can't be a rainbow flop if the 8 and 6 are both spades. If they were both spades then a call by J-3 spades on the flop was correct - due to your tiny bet.Thirdly you want the call on turn, you're 80% to win - it's not often you get your money in that good...

Well don't just tell me what I did wrong. Tell me and all of us exactly what you would have done then.

[DrawingDeadInDM]

JMoney2681, on Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 9:17 PM, said:

Well this depends on pot odds and implied odds? LOL.

Explain to me the implied odds you have after calling all in or calling an all in..