california holdem

[brad44 0]

Just ran across this on Cardplayer what do you guys think?http://cardplayer.com/poker_news/detail.php?p_id=782I think it would be tough to make fly for a couple of reasons:1. 52 card deck is standard and hasn't changed in many many years.2. I quote.... California Hold’em Company, Inc. owns the rights to the game and controls its distribution. Cardrooms, both the brick and mortar kind and online, will have to license the game to spread it. Who wants to buy a specialized deck of cards.

[Socko669 0]

sounds incredibly stupid and dumb.

[snowmannn 0]

That sounds like the worst game ever. And the writer is a dumb@ss. California is "the golden state," not the "sunshine state."

[blakheart 3]

That is a worse game the Ultimate Bets Royal poker, and that was lame too.

[tyfgine 0]

sounds incredibly stupid and dumb.

not to mention idiotic

[Longshanks 0]

figures something this stupid could only come out of california, texas still rules

[elnino 0]

sounds incredibly stupid and dumb.

not to mention idiotic

and gay

[Manihack 0]

And the writer is a dumb@ss.   California is "the golden state," not the "sunshine state."

Reminds me of this quote:

Tyrone C. Love: California, here we come.  Harry Goldfarb: It's Florida, Ty. Florida.  Tyrone C. Love: California, Florida, whatever. Either way, your pale ass is getting a tan.  

[Vatche 0]

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[HoosierAlum 0]

sounds incredibly stupid and dumb.

[mb5322 0]

this idea=dumbest thing since somone saying the Olsen twins were hot.

[PA32R 0]

figures something this stupid could only come out of california, texas still rules

.!.

[Wingmaster05 0]

read 'em and weep!pocket twelve's, bitches!

[digitalmonkey 929]

What's next--Arkansas Hold'em? Just face cards and they're all related....heyaw!

[finztotheleft 0]

In Massachusetts Hold Em we tax all of your winnings.

[looshle 6]

What's next--Arkansas Hold'em? Just face cards and they're all related....heyaw!

LOL for real.

[Wingmaster05 0]

What's next--Arkansas Hold'em? Just face cards and they're all related....heyaw!

LOL for real.

Hey where have you been looshle?

[californiaholdem 0]

Boy oh boy did you guys tear me a new one here!I think, however, that you haven't given the merits or underlying principles of my game a fair shake.The game has the backing of some of the best minds in the industry, because it accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do, which is to create an alternative hold'em game that is more skill based than Texas Hold'em.The changes to the deck allow for the exact same game play and rules while providing a greater expectation of consistent results reflective of relative abiity.One criticism of California Hold’em™ is that casual poker players enjoy the luck factor and this has been instrumental in the game’s rise. This may have been true in the past, but as the poker audience has gained sophistication, there is certainly a niche for those who wish to exist in a more logical, skill-based environment. Similar to how one can lower a golf score by optimizing a swing or learning to read greens, California Hold’em™ players can expect to win more by mastering individual aspects of the game. Yeah, I copy and pasted that last part from my promotional materials. But, look, poker is an ego-based game. Show me a player who doesn't think he's skilled. My game preserves the integrity of Texas Hold'em's play while allowing a more logical stratification that's in line with other games of skill.I expect and understand a negative reaction to changes, especially since the deck is different. But since most players play poker online, it doesn't matter that the deck is changed -- just how the game plays. And as an alternative game, the people I have tested it with, including some of the biggest names in poker, enjoy the game a lot.So don't knock it until you try it. I'm not setting out to replace Texas Hold'em. What I have done is to create a really cool version of poker that has its advantages.I hope you'll try it when it's available.Thanks,Chad AndrewsC.E.O.California Hold'em

[BlueDev 0]

Hey, people scoffed when a wise man suggested that two pair beat three of a kind, but now... never mind.Meh. I suppose it's not fair to knock until we try it, but that's not what the internet is for. :wink:

[gkunit20 1]

What's next--Arkansas Hold'em? Just face cards and they're all related....heyaw!

LOL.California Hold'em is gonna be a huge flop.

[californiaholdem 0]

Is that I understand. There's apt to be resistance to change. Look at the game this simply... When there are still cards to come and you have the best hand (and you've made the proper read on your opponent and done any other calculations such as pot odds,) if you make the right move and have an advantage over an opponent who is drawing illogically, then there are 8 more cards in the deck that will not improve his hand, leading to him sucking out on you.The changes don't really affect those who draw based upon long-term profitable moves. Those will still yield a profit in the long-haul. What the game sets to correct are people who draw when they should not, but can cause major damage to a skilled player if they hit, especially in tournament play.Most of the millions who play poker are playing in low limit ring games or low-entry tournaments where there's the very least consequence for people calling illogically. Because of this, some important aspects of the game, like the ability to make bets sized to coerce a fold (and win a pot right there) and to bluff as part of a strategy are taken away when fools just decide to call because, what the hell, it doesn't cost much. This game punishes that kind of "I half care" behavior and inspires people to fold more often in situations where they often choose to gamble because the odds differentials are close in Texas Hold'em.I look at my game as a really cool alternative. And those who have played it agree. That's why it's gotten so far while other games have fallen through the cracks.

[californiaholdem 0]

What's next--Arkansas Hold'em? Just face cards and they're all related....heyaw!

LOL.California Hold'em is gonna be a huge flop.

Do me a favor... Explain to me from a mathematical or game theory perspective what's wrong with the game.I'd be more than happy to have a debate.

[yeffy 0]

What's next--Arkansas Hold'em? Just face cards and they're all related....heyaw!

LOL.California Hold'em is gonna be a huge flop.

Do me a favor... Explain to me from a mathematical or game theory perspective what's wrong with the game.I'd be more than happy to have a debate.

Ok so it's harder to make your draws, therefore drawing becomes less profitable, folding becomes far more correct, so pots get smaller, action decreases, casual players lose interest, game dies.orSkill level increases, good players win more, bad players lose more, bad players go broke faster, bad players dissappear, good players lose interest without the bad, game dies.If it aint broke, dont fix it.

[BlueDev 0]

Do me a favor... Explain to me from a mathematical or game theory perspective what's wrong with the game.I'd be more than happy to have a debate.

I can't claim that I know enough about game theory to say that there's anything wrong with the game. And, I certainly wouldn't claim that it isn't any fun until I've actually tried it.My biggest concern is this: It seems that that what you consider to be the big draw to California Hold'em is that it favors skilled players. Given that (and the fact that that's what you seem to be promoting about the game), wouldn't that lead to fewer unskilled players wanting to play the game, knowing they're at a disadvantage? And, if that's the case, as the unskilled players are the main source of income for the skilled players, why would the skilled players want to play your game?I assume you're counting on the unskilled players to believe that they're more skilled than they are. Is that the case?Again, I'm not trying to badmouth your game; I commend you for trying to create a new brand of poker. I just find your model a bit curious for the reasons stated above.

[digitalmonkey 929]

What's next--Arkansas Hold'em? Just face cards and they're all related....heyaw!

LOL.California Hold'em is gonna be a huge flop.

Do me a favor... Explain to me from a mathematical or game theory perspective what's wrong with the game.I'd be more than happy to have a debate.

By decreasing the luck factor are you not reducing the number of fish in the game. Fish play because they have a chance to win. Even fish will realize that it is dumb to play a more skill-based game against professional players. You reduce the fish, you reduce the money up for grabs. I see your game as a potential compettition amongst professionals a la the PGA. I do not see it being successful in the poker world per se. I can play golf and am decent at chess but I would not play chess against Kasparov and I wood not challenge Tiger Woods to a skins game. Reducing fish and dead money just seems -ev to me.