Jump to content


Quick Stack/call Question


  • Please log in to reply
13 replies to this topic

#1 DonkSlayer

DonkSlayer

    very, very standard

  • Members
  • 5,032 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Richmond, VA
  • Favorite Poker Game:PL Omaha

Posted 06 October 2008 - 04:34 PM

Assume no reads. Assume we have opened for at least 4x the bb with AA from EP/MP and was flat-called by an opponent skilled between unk and good. We lead or c/r a raggy board.We are reraised allin. How many bb's are we willing to risk? Discuss.
Fortune favors the brave.

#2 PrtyPSux

PrtyPSux

    WE TAKIN OVER!

  • Members
  • 6,108 posts
  • Location:WPT's

Posted 06 October 2008 - 04:39 PM

View PostDonkSlayer, on Monday, October 6th, 2008, 11:34 PM, said:

Assume no reads. Assume we have opened for at least 4x the bb with AA from EP/MP and was flat-called by an opponent skilled between unk and good. We lead or c/r a raggy board.We are reraised allin. How many bb's are we willing to risk? Discuss.
that's a bit of a broad question no?I would say 115 bb's... :club:

#3 trystero

trystero

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 3,780 posts

Posted 06 October 2008 - 04:39 PM

I'd cap it at 150 but it's arbitrary I knowDefinitely the 100 I sat down with.

#4 mtdesmoines

mtdesmoines

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 9,973 posts

Posted 06 October 2008 - 06:59 PM

View PostDonkSlayer, on Monday, October 6th, 2008, 4:34 PM, said:

Assume no reads. Assume we have opened for at least 4x the bb with AA from EP/MP and was flat-called by an opponent skilled between unk and good. We lead or c/r a raggy board.We are reraised allin. How many bb's are we willing to risk? Discuss.
around a buy in or 100 BBs whatever. we need reads to stack off with one pair.
Somewhere Jimmy Carter is smiling because he knows that he is no longer the worst President of the modern era

#5 NoBBiR

NoBBiR

    F34l2 Durrrr

  • Members
  • 3,521 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Binghamton NY
  • Interests:Poker.
  • Favorite Poker Game:No Lemon Tennis Hold Me Tightly.

Posted 06 October 2008 - 10:09 PM

I just don't fold aces for 100bbs on pretty much every unpaired flop without a read.101bb and I'll start to think about it.
"How do they put the ****ing queen in the window?"

Darvin Moon, I hope you die in a grease fire.

#6 krup24

krup24

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 5,561 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 07 October 2008 - 04:49 AM

100-120
Give me a paper and pen so I can write about my life of sin. A couple bottles of gin in case I don't get in.
-2Pac

#7 CobaltBlue

CobaltBlue

    Post-Apocalyptic Wanderer

  • Members
  • 9,347 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ft Lauderdale, FL
  • Favorite Poker Game:Hold 'Em, Crazy Pineapple, 2-7 TD

Posted 07 October 2008 - 07:54 AM

View PostDonkSlayer, on Monday, October 6th, 2008, 8:34 PM, said:

Assume no reads. Assume we have opened for at least 4x the bb with AA from EP/MP and was flat-called by an opponent skilled between unk and good. We lead or c/r a raggy board.We are reraised allin. How many bb's are we willing to risk? Discuss.
Read "Professional No Limit Hold 'Em".Summarizing:If opponent is loose, we can typically stack off when the relative stack is ~94bb to start.If opponent is average, we can usually stack off when the relative stack is ~58bb to start.If opponent is tight, we can stack off when the relative stack is ~22bb to start.So a little under 100 should be your upper range most of the time, but it can get adjusted upwards in some cases.
Seals With Clubs - Bitcoin Poker Room - Easy and Fast Deposits and Cashouts (Open to US)
https://sealswithclu...aff.php?aff=182

#8 SGFULTON83

SGFULTON83

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 2,120 posts

Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:21 AM

Assuming no reads <100 BB's I'm there and over that gets me nervous but I still think I go with it.

#9 NoBBiR

NoBBiR

    F34l2 Durrrr

  • Members
  • 3,521 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Binghamton NY
  • Interests:Poker.
  • Favorite Poker Game:No Lemon Tennis Hold Me Tightly.

Posted 07 October 2008 - 10:58 AM

View PostCobaltBlue, on Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 7:54 AM, said:

Read "Professional No Limit Hold 'Em".Summarizing:If opponent is loose, we can typically stack off when the relative stack is ~94bb to start.If opponent is average, we can usually stack off when the relative stack is ~58bb to start.If opponent is tight, we can stack off when the relative stack is ~22bb to start.So a little under 100 should be your upper range most of the time, but it can get adjusted upwards in some cases.
Does he make this formulaic in some way, or is it just his opinion?
"How do they put the ****ing queen in the window?"

Darvin Moon, I hope you die in a grease fire.

#10 CobaltBlue

CobaltBlue

    Post-Apocalyptic Wanderer

  • Members
  • 9,347 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ft Lauderdale, FL
  • Favorite Poker Game:Hold 'Em, Crazy Pineapple, 2-7 TD

Posted 07 October 2008 - 11:08 AM

View PostNoBBiR, on Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 2:58 PM, said:

Does he make this formulaic in some way, or is it just his opinion?
It's related to Stack-Pot-Ratios (SPR), which is the size of the smallest stack in relation to the pot after all of the pre-flop betting is complete. The premise is that a tight opponent is only likely to put in a certain amount of action when you've got him beat with an overpair, whereas a loose opponent will put in more.
Seals With Clubs - Bitcoin Poker Room - Easy and Fast Deposits and Cashouts (Open to US)
https://sealswithclu...aff.php?aff=182

#11 trystero

trystero

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 3,780 posts

Posted 07 October 2008 - 11:10 AM

Those numbers seem low. We're only supposed to be in 100 bbs with AA to the loosest of opponents ? Is the author already assuming a dry board ?

#12 mtdesmoines

mtdesmoines

    Poker Forum Veteran

  • Members
  • 9,973 posts

Posted 07 October 2008 - 11:20 AM

View Posttrystero, on Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 11:10 AM, said:

Those numbers seem low. We're only supposed to be in 100 bbs with AA to the loosest of opponents ? Is the author already assuming a dry board ?
I think the dry boards are more dangerous unless we've closed action by flat-calling a single villain's raise pre.
Somewhere Jimmy Carter is smiling because he knows that he is no longer the worst President of the modern era

#13 DonkSlayer

DonkSlayer

    very, very standard

  • Members
  • 5,032 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Richmond, VA
  • Favorite Poker Game:PL Omaha

Posted 07 October 2008 - 11:47 AM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 3:20 PM, said:

I think the dry boards are more dangerous unless we've closed action by flat-calling a single villain's raise pre.
I concur. And in the example, I was trying to relate the board is indeed very dry.
Fortune favors the brave.

#14 CobaltBlue

CobaltBlue

    Post-Apocalyptic Wanderer

  • Members
  • 9,347 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ft Lauderdale, FL
  • Favorite Poker Game:Hold 'Em, Crazy Pineapple, 2-7 TD

Posted 07 October 2008 - 12:14 PM

View Posttrystero, on Tuesday, October 7th, 2008, 3:10 PM, said:

Those numbers seem low. We're only supposed to be in 100 bbs with AA to the loosest of opponents ? Is the author already assuming a dry board ?
Well, with AA, it may get adjusted up slightly. That's kind of the SPR's (10, 6, 2) for "big overpairs". For TPTK hands, you need slightly lower numbers. The point is essentially that if there's $9 in the pot pre-flop (assuming a .50/1 game) and you and your opponent have roughly $117 left going into the flop, you're in a somewhat tough spot. You're probably not going to be able to get all of the money in the pot when you're significantly ahead and you risk giving too much action when you're behind. Your opponent can really make your life a pain on a lot of boards, especially if he's in position.
Seals With Clubs - Bitcoin Poker Room - Easy and Fast Deposits and Cashouts (Open to US)
https://sealswithclu...aff.php?aff=182




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users