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[throwemaway]

Would you bet this river or would you be content w/ checking it down? If you do bet, how much? Also, everything look good up to this point?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB ($33.20)Hero ($39.75)UTG ($49.85)MP ($70.85)CO ($23.05)Button ($30.95)Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q. 4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50.Flop: ($4) 5, J, 3 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3.Turn: ($10) 9 (2 players) Villain checks Hero bets $7 Villain callsRiver: 6 spades[size=1]Villain checks, Hero ...

[GoCryWolfe]

Well it depends on the action on the turn. I.E.... what did you do.

[throwemaway]

GoCryWolfe, on Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 7:45 PM, said:

Well it depends on the action on the turn. I.E.... what did you do.

ahh sorry bout that, its edited...my bad

[tapeworm]

GoCryWolfe, on Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 7:45 PM, said:

Well it depends on the action on the turn.

See you added turn, but i think it also depends on what the river card is. Given a rivir less than a Q I think I bet another $7-10, and consider folding to an all-in push. If you think you are incapable of folding to a push(pot-commited) then consider just putting him all-in on the river.

[bdc30]

tapeworm, on Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 8:32 PM, said:

See you added turn, but i think it also depends on what the river card is. Given a rivir less than a Q I think I bet another $7-10, and consider folding to an all-in push. If you think you are incapable of folding to a push(pot-commited) then consider just putting him all-in on the river.

No, if you think you'll be incapable of folding if you get raised, then you CHECK and take the free showdown.If you think your hand is good, and will call even if you get raised, THENyou can lead out, but if you'd think about folding if you got raised, the free showdown will be the way to go.

[krup24]

What was the river card? This could effect my analysis.any blank and I bet at least $12

[DonkSlayer]

As long as the riv is not an A, you bet this. Go with Krup.You're more likely to get called down with SB having marginal holdings because it appears you're making a move of sorts. You may be beat by a trash 2-pair but them's the swings; raise more preflop in this situation if you really care to take sb's money.Personally, I like to check big hands like this when the SB is the only one with me, because I think I play/read well postflop and can make more money ITLR by disguising my hand, hoping the SB will start betting. Krup/Scott, thoughts?

[Jay-Dub]

I think another ~$10 bet would be fine here. He's most likely calling you down with a Jack of some sort. But like DonkSlayer said (great name BTW) if you're affraid of getting raised here, just check behind. It's a pretty nice pot so far for blind v blind. I don't know this player, but if he had trips or two pair (J9?) I don't think he'd check the river again.

[tapeworm]

bdc30, on Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 10:58 PM, said:

No, if you think you'll be incapable of folding if you get raised, then you CHECK and take the free showdown.If you think your hand is good, and will call even if you get raised, THENyou can lead out, but if you'd think about folding if you got raised, the free showdown will be the way to go.

Maybe. I often check this behind depending on opponent tendencies, but I was assuming against such an opponent the hand was still good. In that case, why not get more value out of it? At this moment you have no reason to think you are behind, but a C/R on the river might change that view.I could be thinking about this wrong, so please correct me if I'm off. My thoughts initially were that he should value bet, like I said, but maybe $10 or $14. But then looking at the opponents stack it seemed that he would have to call an all-in, so I lowered it a bit. If stacks were deeper, this is the line I would take since I would not put a standard opponent capable of bluffing like that on the river after I have showed alot of strength.(different opponent, different circumstances). So, what I was thinking is you should still bet for value, but if you end up calling an all-in when you know you are probably behind then it might be better to put the guy all-in first. That way, you will likely still get payed off the same when he just has TP as you lose when he hit some miracle two pair on the river. If you bet and are forced to call an all-in then you lose more when behind and then you win when ahead.Now that he has added the river, I think it is unlikely he hit that card. But given the stack sizes, I still think I like just putting the guy in now, since I feel the villain's calling range when behind won't change too much as it might look more like a bluff. I wasn't saying you should fear being check-raised, but just trying to balance the teims you are ahead with the tiems you are behind...Wrong way to look at it??? (and as jay-dub said, the key is knowing if villain is the type who would check a turned two pair like J9)

[throwemaway]

I had only sat at this table for a short amount of time, so I had no read on the villain whatsoever.Thanks for the input, it makes sense...I'll wait for a few more replies if possible and then post what I did and my reasoning

[Peak01]

a bet of $10 to $15 is fine here. My guess is he has AJ based on that board. Don't see him drawing with 47 or 42.