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[shpaget]

Acid_Knight, on Monday, November 6th, 2006, 2:07 PM, said:

I disagree with this. Many players would rather survive to day 2 than lose all of their chips right at the end of day 1. I think there is probably an even split between those who would rather survive and those who would rather have either a big stack or no stack.

I disagree - in my experience, the majority of players would rather not come back in the morning with a short stack (or the shortest stack).Now...how they define "shortstack" is probably different for every person....the shorter their stack, the more likely they are to make a "crazy" move to either double/triple up, or be done.And, it's not a huge majority...but probably 70-75%.

[Acid_Knight]

How many multi-day events have you ever played in?I'm just wondering what "in your experience" really entails.

[shpaget]

Acid_Knight, on Tuesday, November 7th, 2006, 8:08 AM, said:

How many multi-day events have you ever played in?I'm just wondering what "in your experience" really entails.

I've personally only been in four.My 'experience' deals with talking with people, personally, who have played in many more.I would never make the statement I made based on my own views....it's based on the views of people I've spoken to, and statements I've heard from others.

[ArcadianSky]

Fold. He nutted the turn.

[Acid_Knight]

ArcadianSky, on Tuesday, November 7th, 2006, 5:40 PM, said:

Fold. He nutted the turn.

How do you know he nutted the turn?Were you at his place going down on him and he climaxed when the turn card fell?

[Tigerlite]

Acid_Knight, on Wednesday, November 8th, 2006, 10:23 AM, said:

How do you know he nutted the turn?Were you at his place going down on him and he climaxed when the turn card fell?

Dude, I have no problem with your skepticism, but try to keep it healthy rather than letting it degenerate into personal attacks and inappropriate comments. The poster is obviously stating his/her opinion albeit in conclusory fashion.

[Acid_Knight]

Tigerlite, on Wednesday, November 8th, 2006, 12:03 PM, said:

Dude, I have no problem with your skepticism, but try to keep it healthy rather than letting it degenerate into personal attacks and inappropriate comments. The poster is obviously stating his/her opinion albeit in conclusory fashion.

Easy big fella, it was just a joke.

[shpaget]

Acid_Knight, on Wednesday, November 8th, 2006, 1:41 PM, said:

Easy big fella, it was just a joke.

fwiw, I laughed.

[Acid_Knight]

shpaget, on Wednesday, November 8th, 2006, 1:04 PM, said:

fwiw, I laughed.

At least someone apprecaites my sick sense of humor. Thanks shpaget.

[ramenandeggs]

I'm not putting my tournament life in the hands of top pair top kicker when I don't have to. He can have it. I'll get him later for his weak flop play.

[offset]

Acid_Knight, on Monday, November 6th, 2006, 1:07 PM, said:

I disagree with this. Many players would rather survive to day 2 than lose all of their chips right at the end of day 1. I think there is probably an even split between those who would rather survive and those who would rather have either a big stack or no stack.

You are forgetting to realize that he has played the hand in a very odd way for someone who is not bluffing. That is the main reason why we should call.

[Big Blue]

Fold. Live to play another day.What do I think he has.... same as others, 2 pr or a set (with a 3).

[shpaget]

Big Blue, on Friday, November 10th, 2006, 12:39 PM, said:

Fold. Live to play another day.What do I think he has.... same as others, 2 pr or a set (with a 3).

Let's assume he doesn't have AA, as he would reraise pf.Let's assume he doesn't have 33, as he would fold the turn.Now, that means you think he has 77, 88 or 99. Let's assume you have 77, 88, or 99...77 you check the flop 'cause you missed - 88 or 99 you check the flop because you want the pf raiser to bet into your set.Fine - now the turn - If you have 77, 88, or 99 do you typically check your set again, or lead? And if, for whatever reason, you do check, do you then call his bet, with 789 and two spades on board, or do you raise?Don't you think all this information rules out a set?And can't you make similar arguments to rule out all the possible two-pair hands at the turn?And do you honestly think he has 73, 83 or 93?Do you think he has two pair or a set simply because those are hands that can beat you...or do you think those hands play in this fashion.

[Acid_Knight]

offset, on Wednesday, November 8th, 2006, 11:29 PM, said:

You are forgetting to realize that he has played the hand in a very odd way for someone who is not bluffing. That is the main reason why we should call.

He has played the hand in a very odd ways regardless of whether he is bluffing or not. I could take your sentence and say:You are forgetting to realize that he has played the hand in a very odd way for someone who is bluffing. This is the main reason why we should fold.Just becuase he's played unconventionally, doesn't make me assume it's a bluff. In fact, I have very little idea what the hell he's got in the hole.

[Briguy]

This is 50/50 for me. The pot is ~4000 at this point, so 5400 is not a gross overbet for a set or two pair looking to get paid by TPTK. At the same time, a big hand would probably either check-raise the turn or bet less on the river (2-3000) looking for value. I don't think TT or JJ would go crazy on the river like that, but AQ or AJ might. I think TPTK is ahead often enough to warrant a call, getting 1.6:1 on the pot. Barely. Maybe with a bit of puke in my mouth.Also: Is this not the result that was intended by the flop check? To get villain to overplay a lesser hand? Gah.

[glebbus]

Well, my first impression was to call but after a little thinking i feel that the opponent has probably a straight and made this move mainly in case you have a pair(or 2) and call his all-in. very often happens in tournaments. However, if you go for the value its a kind of must-call.brr very tricky.. fold is my last choise.Gleb.Great forum by the way.

[Rocketwadster]

Seems like a clear fold to me. Calling off all your chips with only (yes - ONLY)one pair is just plain silly.

[simo_8ball]

Rocketwadster, on Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 1:13 PM, said:

Seems like a clear fold to me. Calling off all your chips with only (yes - ONLY)one pair is just plain silly.

Unless you are ahead. Then it can be quite good.

[Alpha1494]

Time to fold.Hands the BB would call with that I can't beat.A9A8A7A399887710JHands that guys like Daniel would also call with out of the big blind that I can't beat.98978756Looks like a trouble spot. I'm looking for a much better place to pick up chips. I'll deal with my short stack look for a better spot.Alpha

[pkr_invitational]

Hello all, What a situation to be put in. I've read most of your responses. Here is my two sense. First off every hand is a story being told. The AK raise preflop signifys strength or trying to steal the blinds. The BB calling says, he is not strong but has a hand he wants to see the flop with. Most likely a drawing hand or small pair. When the flop comes A98, the BB has to assume we hit the flop based on our preflop raise. If he is drawing from early position he isn't going to bet into a potential paired Ace. The BB checks and expects to call for another card on a draw or fold if the bet is the pot size. When AK checked the BB was probably shocked, wasn't expecting a free card. I think the check by AK also shows real strength in the hand. remember the cardinal rule,"strong means weak and weak means strong" at the tables. The BB has to be thinking his opponent has a A with a strong kicker. He figures if he hits his draw he has a strong hold on this with an opponent who may not be able to let go of his hand. I would assume the BB is playing 10 J. He'd have an open ended nut str8 draw. The 7 hits on the turn and he slow plays the str8. The AK throws out a value, feeler bet. BB calls hoping the AK gets stronger. The river is a bust and knows he has the nuts. He bets small and it is too suspicious so he goes big and bets hard trying to represent a busted str8 draw bluffing the pot. Quoting bdc30, "An overbet push is the new value bet these days". I totally agree. I've done it in the past and its paid off well more often than not. The only other hand I can think the BB could have played is 77. He hits trips and knows if he just bets the river he will get raised and put on the spot. He goes all in and the pressure of a reraise is off him. He believes he has his money in with the best hand. The only hand that can call him is a str8. In the end I believe he is playing the 10 J and hits his str8. It's a hand that is playable preflop from the BB when calling a raise. It's a hand that you can get away from if the flop doesn't touch you but is also a hand that can hit big if the right drawing circumstance happens. Great posting Daniel. I really liked thinking about this one. I would fold. Too many tell signs of a trap.Jason.