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[babylondonks]

He might be firing most of his range on the turn, but his range is so super super strong from previous streets that it's not like he has some enormous bluff range or anything.

[donk4life]

babylondonks, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 6:31 PM, said:

He might be firing most of his range on the turn, but his range is so super super strong from previous streets that it's not like he has some enormous bluff range or anything.

Ya exactly. There's just so few hands that he could have here, most of which have us drawing dead.

[CobaltBlue]

babylondonks, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 7:31 PM, said:

He might be firing most of his range on the turn, but his range is so super super strong from previous streets that it's not like he has some enormous bluff range or anything.

Quite. That's a large part of the issue. Can you get on board with the c/f turn? That's kind of tough for me...I just don't feel like we quite have enough info to fold at that point.

[Ninja Ace]

babylondonks, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 4:31 PM, said:

He might be firing most of his range on the turn, but his range is so super super strong from previous streets that it's not like he has some enormous bluff range or anything.

Doesn't the "i'm way overvaluing my hand" range come into play though?Just because the guy is a "competent tag" doesn't mean we can give him credit for being a good player.

[donk4life]

Ninja Ace, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 10:51 PM, said:

Doesn't the "i'm way overvaluing my hand" range come into play though?Just because the guy is a "competent tag" doesn't mean we can give him credit for being a good player.

What hand could he be overvaluing in this spot?

[CobaltBlue]

Ninja Ace, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 11:51 PM, said:

Doesn't the "i'm way overvaluing my hand" range come into play though?Just because the guy is a "competent tag" doesn't mean we can give him credit for being a good player.

On the turn, I think he can maybe have merely trip tens.By the river, I think he's got the straight at minimum.

[Ninja Ace]

CobaltBlue, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 9:08 PM, said:

By the river, I think he's got the straight at minimum.

If that's the eval and we only chop and never scoop it kind of makes it a clear fold

[donk4life]

CobaltBlue, on Tuesday, January 4th, 2011, 11:08 PM, said:

On the turn, I think he can maybe have merely trip tens.By the river, I think he's got the straight at minimum.

Would a ten really raise the flop in an unraised pot in this spot though? Only hand that you beat that might possibly do this is 109 though.edit: I think river is a trivial fold. It's the turn that's the more interesting spot. I honestly think it's a c/f.

[babylondonks]

donk4life, on Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 3:11 PM, said:

Would a ten really raise the flop in an unraised pot in this spot though? Only hand that you beat that might possibly do this is 109 though.edit: I think river is a trivial fold. It's the turn that's the more interesting spot. I honestly think it's a c/f.

QFT, and imo the turn is any action which involves a '/f' with c/f > b/f

[trystero]

Cobalt, you do post good hands.

[CobaltBlue]

donk4life, on Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, 12:11 AM, said:

Would a ten really raise the flop in an unraised pot in this spot though? Only hand that you beat that might possibly do this is 109 though.edit: I think river is a trivial fold. It's the turn that's the more interesting spot. I honestly think it's a c/f.

I'm not sure that it would, but I suppose it's possible. He could also maybe have Ah9h or J9 at that point.I agree that the turn is kind of the interesting spot. I think I might've folded if he'd bet more than half the pot and led me to believe that he might possibly check the river. I was a little curious about what I would do if the river was a blank...where I wouldn't be chopping at best.Oh well. As I think you guys surmised, I thought it was an interesting hand. Definitely not often when you flop the nuts and get to 3-bet it and then are supposed to c/f in Hold 'Em.I did end up folding the river.

[Jbird]

CobaltBlue, on Monday, January 3rd, 2011, 1:50 AM, said:

UTG+1 is a winning reg. I used to think he was a donk, but he seems sort of TAG these days. I probably have a competent/TAG image.v1.24Feral Cow PokerHEM/Bodog NL Hold'em $2.00/$4.00 - 9 playersHJ: $803.09 CO: $973.90 Button: $403.50 SB: $615.00 BB: $412.00 (Hero)UTG: $392.00 UTG+1: $613.00 MP: $452.00 MP2: $274.00 Preflop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with : : (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $4.00, 5 folds, SB calls $2.00, Hero checksFlop: ($12.00) : : : (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $8.00, UTG+1 raises to $29.00, SB folds, Hero raises to $89.00, UTG+1 calls $60.00Turn: ($190.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $95.00, Hero calls $95.00River: ($380.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $380.00, Hero ?

What a terrible spot, hes screaming boat. Ah7h, Ah9h, AhJh, QhJh can't think of really any other hands that make much sense. Tough fold.

[Jbird]

didn't notice on first viewing you have the Jof H, makes the hand a fold that much more.