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[Snamuh]

I'm kind of pissed. I had a session with an abnormal amount of mega donks on Cake. One regular, who normally plays 15/12, must have been drunk because he was on 4 tables playing like 85/30 and not folding preflop to 3bets, to cbets, and often not to double barrels. Here's a few gems vs him:POKERSTARS GAME #663011657000189: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/10/23 - 20:18:36 (ET)Table 'Cake_ Amsterdam (6-max) 11657' Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: SteamySammy ($490.50 in chips)Seat 2: kcbi*** ($382.00 in chips)Seat 3: emma*** ($400.00 in chips)Seat 8: Jeff*** ($2,671.93 in chips)Seat 9: Ogou*** ($468.30 in chips)Seat 10: zwar*** ($1,050.40 in chips)SteamySammy: posts small blind $2kcbi***: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to SteamySammy [Kd Kh]emma***: foldsJeff***: raises $10.00 to $14.00Ogou***: foldszwar***: calls $14.00SteamySammy: raises $50.00 to $64.00kcbi***: foldsJeff***: calls $50.00zwar***: calls $50.00*** FLOP *** [Ks Tc Qd]SteamySammy: bets $165.00Jeff***: calls $165.00zwar***: folds*** TURN *** [Ks Tc Qd] [7h]SteamySammy: bets $261.50 and is all-inJeff***: calls $261.50*** RIVER *** [Ks Tc Qd 7h] [Ac]*** SHOW DOWN ***Jeff***: shows [Jh 6h] (Straight, Ace high)SteamySammy: mucks handJeff*** collected $1,046.00 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1,049.00 | Rake $3.00Board [Ks Tc Qd 7h Ac]Seat 1: SteamySammy (small blind) mucked handSeat 2: kcbi*** (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: emma*** folded before FlopSeat 8: Jeff*** showed [Jh 6h] and won ($1,046.00) with Straight, Ace highSeat 9: Ogou*** folded before FlopSeat 10: zwar*** folded on the FlopPOKERSTARS GAME #663011915000143: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/10/23 - 20:07:13 (ET)Table 'Cake_ Amsterdam (6-max) 11915' Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: BR54*** ($482.50 in chips)Seat 2: SteamySammy ($437.25 in chips)Seat 3: wnr2*** ($328.40 in chips)Seat 8: IDON*** ($201.30 in chips)Seat 9: Jeff*** ($1,510.08 in chips)Seat 10: Ogou*** ($646.50 in chips)Jeff***: posts small blind $2Ogou***: posts big blind $4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to SteamySammy [As Ad]BR54***: foldsSteamySammy: raises $10.00 to $14.00wnr2***: foldsIDON***: foldsJeff***: calls $12.00Ogou***: folds*** FLOP *** [Kh 8c Qd]Jeff***: checksSteamySammy: bets $24.00Jeff***: calls $24.00*** TURN *** [Kh 8c Qd] [9d]Jeff***: checksSteamySammy: bets $60.00Jeff***: calls $60.00*** RIVER *** [Kh 8c Qd 9d] [Ts]Jeff***: checksSteamySammy: checks*** SHOW DOWN ***SteamySammy: shows [As Ad] (Pair of Aces)Jeff***: shows [Qh Tc] (Two Pairs, Queens and Tens)Jeff*** collected $197.00 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $200.00 | Rake $3.00Board [Kh 8c Qd 9d Ts]Seat 1: BR54*** folded before FlopSeat 2: SteamySammy showed [As Ad] and lost with Pair of AcesSeat 3: wnr2*** folded before FlopSeat 8: IDON*** folded before FlopSeat 9: Jeff*** (small blind) showed [Qh Tc] and won ($197.00) with Two Pairs, Queens and TensSeat 10: Ogou*** (big blind) folded before FlopI was up like 1300-1400 and would have been up close to 2k after the KK hand. Soon after he leaves all of his tables, with about 6k between the 4 tables. Sigh. Finished slightly above even.

[RDog]

No_Neck, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:11 PM, said:

no wonder you are running poorly... don't you listen to King? CASH OUT CURSE IS REAL!!!!

Wat??????

[Jordan]

58k hands for <10k seems like a beat, no?

[RDog]

Jordan, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:30 PM, said:

58k hands for <10k seems like a beat, no?

LOL, not when 50k hands is 1/2. Just curious Jordan, why recently such the "high and mighty horse" when it comes to stakes you play? Its weird cause honestly I would never expect that from you. I'm certainly not going to apologize for grinding out 10-20k months playing stakes where losing days aren't going to affect me emotionally as much. So I assume my graph would be perfectly fine if it was 10k hands for 9k? I guess being lazy at this game is admirable?

[NoSup4U]

No_Neck, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:11 PM, said:

no wonder you are running poorly... don't you listen to King? CASH OUT CURSE IS REAL!!!!

I've been running great all week, just today I'm stuck. But yeah, cashout curse is 100% real imo. Just took a few days.Mark

[Acid_Knight]

RDog, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:38 PM, said:

LOL, not when 50k hands is 1/2. Just curious Jordan, why recently such the "high and mighty horse" when it comes to stakes you play? Its weird cause honestly I would never expect that from you. I'm certainly not going to apologize for grinding out 10-20k months playing stakes where losing days aren't going to affect me emotionally as much. So I assume my graph would be perfectly fine if it was 10k hands for 9k? I guess being lazy at this game is admirable?

FWIW, I don't think his post was intended to slight anything about what you do or your approach to the game. I would also assume that playing 60k hands and making 9k is not necessarily great for 1/2, but I also don't know what winrate is expected. Does that work out to 3.75 PTBB/100 (my rough calc) or so? I mean, that's not great if it's what it comes out to and maybe I've missed something in other posts that Jordan's made, but I thought the "58k hands for <10k seems like a beat, no?" comment was pretty harmless.Maybe I just don't know what a reasonable expected winrate at 6m or FR is when you're playing 10+ tables at a time.

[RDog]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:48 PM, said:

FWIW, I don't think his post was intended to slight anything about what you do or your approach to the game. I would also assume that playing 60k hands and making 9k is not necessarily great for 1/2, but I also don't know what winrate is expected. Does that work out to 3.75 PTBB/100 (my rough calc) or so? I mean, that's not great if it's what it comes out to and maybe I've missed something in other posts that Jordan's made, but I thought the "58k hands for <10k seems like a beat, no?" comment was pretty harmless.Maybe I just don't know what a reasonable expected winrate at 6m or FR is when you're playing 10+ tables at a time.

Your calculations are close. There is also some 2/4 in there. And a couple thousand hands of lower limits from coaching sessions. And yes I would take a win rate like that for the rest of my life 10 tabling. Win rates mass tabling at 6m or FR are certainly never going to be anywhere close to 2 tabling HU. In the end I don't really care, all that matters is money.And yeah, it isn't just this comment. He has made several comments recently which don't really matter because he is definitely correct that 1/2 isn't going to be as difficult as 3/6. But the moment he makes similar comments in that there is an issue with grinding out a living, then I have an issue. And you can say it was harmless or whatever but that is exactly what his statement is saying.

[Acid_Knight]

RDog, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 7:55 PM, said:

Your calculations are close. There is also some 2/4 in there. And a couple thousand hands of lower limits from coaching sessions. And yes I would take a win rate like that for the rest of my life 10 tabling. Win rates mass tabling at 6m or FR are certainly never going to be anywhere close to 2 tabling HU. In the end I don't really care, all that matters is money.And yeah, it isn't just this comment. He has made several comments recently which don't really matter because he is definitely correct that 1/2 isn't going to be as difficult as 3/6. But the moment he makes similar comments in that there is an issue with grinding out a living, then I have an issue. And you can say it was harmless or whatever but that is exactly what his statement is saying.

Fair enough.Everyone has different poker priorities and I think that it's probably never a good idea to try and impose your priorities upon someone else, especially when they're playing a different game and for different reasons.Oh, and Tremomey sustains a 15-20PTBB/100 winrate at HU, so he can DIAGF

[AcesOnFire]

Acid_Knight, on Friday, October 24th, 2008, 4:02 AM, said:

Fair enough.Everyone has different poker priorities and I think that it's probably never a good idea to try and impose your priorities upon someone else, especially when they're playing a different game and for different reasons.Oh, and Tremomey sustains a 15-20PTBB/100 winrate at HU, so he can DIAGF

Die in a gigantic fire?

[bull62]

Meh, in a vacuum I just took it as a needle that hu>6max. I haven't been paying much attention lately though.

[bull62]

AcesOnFire, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:06 PM, said:

Die in a gigantic fire?

drive in a gorgeous ferrari.

[JubilantLankyLad]

NoSup4U, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 2:27 PM, said:

Whoa wth? How do you flag hands in HEM?tyia!Mark

in case you missed it:

JubilantLankyLad, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 2:16 PM, said:

the tables stats from HEM show the last 3 hands results. double click one and get the HH. convert buttons are there, and a radio box to flag for review. then filter in the main screen of HEM to "show only flagged hands"

[king1305]

lmao, idk what's wrong with me. I guess that post was one of those, "you know you hang around the pokerhaus too much when..." things.

[whatgreatis]

Run good in the last session of the day one time!

[RDog]

bull62, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:06 PM, said:

Meh, in a vacuum I just took it as a needle that hu>6max. I haven't been paying much attention lately though.

It isn't a vacuum though. My guess is just like Matt he looked at the graph and thought "holy ****, 58k hands, he sucks!!!" I dunno, I guess I could be wrong but comments he has made in the last few weeks and in the well lead me to believe that he has an issue with me or something for some reason

[Acid_Knight]

RDog, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:13 PM, said:

It isn't a vacuum though. My guess is just like Matt he looked at the graph and thought "holy ****, 58k hands, that he sucks!!!" I dunno, I guess I could be wrong but comments he has made in the last 2 weeks and in the well lead me to believe that he has an issue with me for some reason.

I saw his comment in a vaccuum. I know that playing 1/2 HU, I'd get there in a lot fewer hands, but that's beside the point. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I did look at the graph and I thought to myself:1. Holy hell, that's the number of hands I expect to play in 3 months2. That seems like a lot of work (volume of hands) for that profit3. The line is pretty straight and I have no idea if that's actually a good winrate or a bad oneI know that you're a really good player and if that's a good expected winrate for a solid player 10-tabling 6m or FR, then what else needs to be said? It doesn't matter if it's different than HU, because you don't play HU. It'd be akin to someone mocking my winrate at HU NLHE cause their winrate at HU PLO is crushing it. You're not comparing apples to apples when you do that.So, whatever. Winrates are higher HU. Variance is lower at 6m. You actually earn rakeback (or your pokerstars point equivilant) which is a HUGE amount of money on a monthly basis for you. I'm happy with my winrate HU. You're happy with your winrate at your games. What else matters?

[bull62]

RDog, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:13 PM, said:

It isn't a vacuum though. My guess is just like Matt he looked at the graph and thought "holy ****, 58k hands, he sucks!!!" I dunno, I guess I could be wrong but comments he has made in the last few weeks and in the well lead me to believe that he has an issue with me or something for some reason

That's what I'm saying. I don't know the context. If you hadn't said something, I would never have given it a second thought.

[Acid_Knight]

bull62, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 8:28 PM, said:

That's what I'm saying. I don't know the context. If you hadn't said something, I would never have given it a second thought.

I would ask rdog if it's that time of the month, but someone his age should've hit menopause by now, right?(couldn't help myself)

[bull62]

Acid_Knight, on Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 10:21 PM, said:

2. That seems like a lot of work (volume of hands) for that profit

Serious question. Is 10 tabling 6max really more work than 2 tabling HU? If we get away from ptbb and use hourly rate instead, how would this compare to hu?

[Dratj]

Rdog, I read your well thread again, fwiw, I think Jordan's is just all jokes, I wouldn't worry too much about it. You can dish it out pretty good too to some people and he's just mildly ribbing you, so I wouldn't worry about.