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What do you do?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t6000 (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button (t58544)Hero (t100527)BB (t61938)UTG (t157043)MP1 (t137030)MP2 (t91327)CO (t147628)Preflop: Hero is SB with K :club: , A :ts . CO shoves entire stackHero???CO has been open shoving CO and Button and picking up blinds. He has done it 3 times. One other time with a similar stack he standard raised and ended up winning the pot before showdown. From Poker DB he has very limited MTT experience.

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LOL. I thought this was an almost FT rail thread :)I'm probably laying this down, and I need to know if that's too nitty. It's probably 88+ or AQ+ imo. Based on that range, you are a slight dog here (52-48%). I'd be more happy to shove with AK than calling off my tournament life.Edit, just read your reads. I think I'm calling this one and hoping to see Ax.

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What do you do?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t6000 (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button (t58544)Hero (t100527)BB (t61938)UTG (t157043)MP1 (t137030)MP2 (t91327)CO (t147628)Preflop: Hero is SB with K :club: , A :ts . CO shoves entire stackHero???CO has been open shoving CO and Button and picking up blinds. He has done it 3 times. One other time with a similar stack he standard raised and ended up winning the pot before showdown. From Poker DB he has very limited MTT experience.
Say "Not today baby". And call. If he's done this from CO/button 3-times on the spin then AK ca-ha-rushes his range.
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his play is just so bad. I really hate it but what to do? Actually I don't really know but since he has limited MTT experience I'd probably call. You cant be in too bad shape (he's not shoving w AA or KK is he?). So, it's a race or you are probably dominating him. I think you are in a favourable position and I never back down in such a situation.

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I have been a nit lately late in tournaments. And I need to change this. Also, Jeff (outsider), myself and others have been talking about finding spots to chip up and when to pass deep in tournys so we could stop being FT Bubble Biatches. Although I questioned myself after, I wanted to hear exactly what is in this thread. I also thought it would help my game and possibly some others to see the analysis and check that as well. Here is what I wrote right when I posted:I think this is a painful spot at times because you have worked for the last 4 or 5 hours to get in position and no one likes calling off their stacks without the nuts. I agreed completely with Jeff's range going into it and knew that I would be just barely a flip. So I stoved it. Vs. the range he gave AQ+, 88+, I am: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 51.750% 43.56% 08.19% 42517914 7990517.50 { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }Hand 1: 48.250% 40.06% 08.19% 39102379 7990517.50 { AcKd } But... now I also think I have to take AA and KK out of his range. Because there was the one hand he simply raised and it screamed that he was looking for action and his stack was actually a bit shorter then it is now. So this is how I stand up against that: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 48.247% 39.16% 09.09% 34197626 7934947.00 { QQ-88, AQs+, AQo+ }Hand 1: 51.753% 42.67% 09.09% 37259984 7934947.00 { AcKd } I am very slightly ahead. This is why I think it has to be a call. I have been getting extremely deep in tournaments and you do that by playing smart, picking your spots, getting some luck. But I have not been making it to the final table. So I am set to cash for about $118 or so in this one, after one more person out it goes to $180, nice extra money but absolutely no big deal - we are playing to win. Significant increases as we know do not happen until the FT at this point. So if I win here I have to be 80% to make the FT. If I don't play, my stack is below average and I have to be under 40% to make it - probably lower but I am giving myself extra equity :club: Reviewing this range I call here against this player 100% of the time unless people can convince me different. I am actually calling here probably 80% of the time if he filps up his hole cards before I have to act - which were 88 of course.That is how I read it, but open to suggestions as always...

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Edit, just read your reads. I think I'm calling this one and hoping to see Ax.
OMG, you have no idea how much I wanted to see a dominated hand here. I said the same thing to Phil last night.Actually when I was getting short that is how I got back in it. UTG raise, folded to my BB, shoved AK, was just too short not to take a chance. He tanked forever and thank the poker gods he called and flipped over a suited AJ. (a play I do not recommend)
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equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 48.247% 39.16% 09.09% 34197626 7934947.00 { QQ-88, AQs+, AQo+ }Hand 1: 51.753% 42.67% 09.09% 37259984 7934947.00 { AcKd }
50/50 is your worst case here against his range. It could be that he doesn't shove TT-QQ either. He might not shove with AKs.You have to weight his range to the medium strength hands.
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Good point. I do think AKs is in his shoving range because he shoved 3 to 1 raise. But the higher pairs might not be there. Pretty sure he is just as scared of TT as he is of 88 though.

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Well, it's going to be a coin-flip at best and it's for your tourney life. Even if you have him dominated, 'Stars regulary flips up the lower kicker on a guy, not that I can substantiate that claim.I guess it boils down to how aggressive I'm feeling at the time and how sick I am of having this clown open shove what seems to be ATC, but the smart money is Fold, I'm thinking...After reading the responses this far, I am a little surprised that so many people are advocating a call. Yes, it's close, but the stats you guys are running only give you a 4% edge! Is that really enough of a margin when you have more than 15BB's and your tourney life is on the line?For God's Sake, fold here and wait for a spot where YOU can be the aggressor. Although, I'd have to say once again, my patience quotient might be a factor, so...

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Hey buddy, I know ur still beating yourself over that...... But I looked this morning at OPR and you know who won the tournament ???? So now after you stop beating yourself up AGAIN, lol, you can come back to your home that is FCP......Didn't mean to rub it in :club: But I'm pretty sure it's the same player that stacked you........ Maybe you can confirm by looking at your HH.....With all that being said, In your situation and giving the history of the said player (he made it into the money 5% of the time) and looks like he's a REAL donkie, I still think it was a good call...... You had 2 options there really:Option1: You wait for a better spot to sacrifice your tourney..... I know I have a bad history with AK AIPF :ts..... And you can still move up and you had lots of chips left.....Option2: You call and if you hit, you double up and you have a serious chance to win the tournament. At least make a FT pretty easily.....

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Well, it's going to be a coin-flip at beast and it's for your tourney life. Even if you have him dominated, 'Stars regulary flips up the lower kicker on a guy, not that I can substantiate that claim.I guess it boils down to how aggressive I'm feeling at the time and how sick I am of having this clown open shove what seems to be ATC, but the smart money is Fold, I'm thinking...
Another viable range for this guy is AJ+, 77-TT, Puts us at almost 60%. Might even be able to add KQs into that range. If you want to win this thing I think you have to take this. I should add that the avg stack at this point is about 140k if I remember correctly.I'm trying to figure it out, but I don't think I make FT's laying down in this spot. The hands that worry me most I am very safely taking out of his range and that is AA and KK.
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I'm trying to figure it out, but I don't think I make FT's laying down in this spot. The hands that worry me most I am very safely taking out of his range and that is AA and KK.
I'm gonna have to disagree here..... Just think that at 100K if you double up ??? The blinds and antes are so huge at this point, that you can build a monster stack in three hands or so......
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I'm trying to figure it out, but I don't think I make FT's laying down in this spot. The hands that worry me most I am very safely taking out of his range and that is AA and KK.
Double postament WTH......
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Hey buddy, I know ur still beating yourself over that...... But I looked this morning at OPR and you know who won the tournament ???? So now after you stop beating yourself up AGAIN, lol, you can come back to your home that is FCP......Didn't mean to rub it in :club: But I'm pretty sure it's the same player that stacked you........ Maybe you can confirm by looking at your HH.....With all that being said, In your situation and giving the history of the said player (he made it into the money 5% of the time) and looks like he's a REAL donkie, I still think it was a good call...... You had 2 options there really:Option1: You wait for a better spot to sacrifice your tourney..... I know I have a bad history with AK AIPF :ts..... And you can still move up and you had lots of chips left.....Option2: You call and if you hit, you double up and you have a serious chance to win the tournament. At least make a FT pretty easily.....
LMAO. Not beating myself up at all. I make this same play against the same player 100% of the time. If I double, I am making the FT and giving myself a chance to win a tourny.Even this donkey who with 14 players left was the chip leader was able to squeak into the FT and finished 7th for $1,700. Thanks Elo, actually makes me feel better despite your warning.Mercury, you might be right, but I just think to win you have to play this hand.
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I'm gonna have to disagree here..... Just think that at 100K if you double up ??? The blinds and antes are so huge at this point, that you can build a monster stack in three hands or so......
You don't sound like you are disagreeing... strange
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Well, it's going to be a coin-flip at best and it's for your tourney life. Even if you have him dominated, 'Stars regulary flips up the lower kicker on a guy, not that I can substantiate that claim.I guess it boils down to how aggressive I'm feeling at the time and how sick I am of having this clown open shove what seems to be ATC, but the smart money is Fold, I'm thinking...After reading the responses this far, I am a little surprised that so many people are advocating a call. Yes, it's close, but the stats you guys are running only give you a 4% edge! Is that really enough of a margin when you have more than 15BB's and your tourney life is on the line?For God's Sake, fold here and wait for a spot where YOU can be the aggressor. Although, I'd have to say once again, my patience quotient might be a factor, so...
lol! andI hear ya. And it's not a big misstake to fold or call. But I just cannot understand why you should back down if you think you're in front.
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I'm gonna have to disagree here..... Just think that at 100K if you double up ??? The blinds and antes are so huge at this point, that you can build a monster stack in three hands or so......
The blinds are so big that you cannot afford to be passing up edges.If we fold here, we will have 12bb left at the next blind increase, which is an extremely awkward stack size to work with. Too deep to open shove light, and too shallow to raise/fold. If we fold here we have to then play quite tight and wait for decent hands.we are at worst a coinflip here against his range and we could be up to 60% against his range. If we fold there is a decent chance we are going to have to shove with a hand like ATo or KQ very soon, blindly hoping noone picks up a better hand to call with. By folding here we plunge ourselves into uncertainty.If we double, we have a good size stack and we can then start to bully others.
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You don't sound like you are disagreeing... strange
LOL, maybe I wasn't clear enough..... What I'm saying is that if you choose the fold option, you have plenty of chips and plenty of time because at this point in a tourney the big stacks can change hands so rapidely...
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HA... True. I could have chipped up. I did have 15 BBs if I fold here. But I have an M of like 6. The guy directly to my right was the better tourny player at the table. The guy next to him had almost 160k. I thought chipping up through them was a riskier option. This was the guy that I picked.If this was a player playing a normal style and did not have the three over shoves prior, then I could have picked my spot better. Or three bet him to get him off this hand. As it was, his style, his range, I do it again.

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Like I said earlier. I'm folding this without a solid read on my opponent. Without a read, your range you would have to put them on, I think you are slightly behind. But.....with that type of read, you can widen that range and I would think that AK is ahead here. I think it's a good read based call.

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The blinds are so big that you cannot afford to be passing up edges.If we fold here, we will have 12bb left at the next blind increase, which is an extremely awkward stack size to work with. Too deep to open shove light, and too shallow to raise/fold. If we fold here we have to then play quite tight and wait for decent hands.we are at worst a coinflip here against his range and we could be up to 60% against his range. If we fold there is a decent chance we are going to have to shove with a hand like ATo or KQ very soon, blindly hoping noone picks up a better hand to call with. By folding here we plunge ourselves into uncertainty.If we double, we have a good size stack and we can then start to bully others.
I hear what ur saying simo.... I'm calling there 71.34% of the time, lol... But it all depends on what my instincts tell me to do.... I've been to a couple of FT's pretty short stack and ended 2nd and 1st....EDIT forgot to add...... Last week I played a $9.90 (360 max.) just to donk around, and I had never been so card dead in my life.... I made a pretty decent pot at around 50 left, then I made FT on pure BS, lol... Everyone played scared and I was bullying the table at 42 left (bubble was 36 I think) .... I really didn't care about the bubble money. All that being said if mr. Poker Addict :club: doubles up here, he's in a pretty good spot to be aggressive and build a nice stack, I agree..... So as much as Im a nit sometimes, in this situation it was clearly paying off being super aggressive....
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Well, it's going to be a coin-flip at best and it's for your tourney life.
1) It's a coinflip at worst, and 2) "Tournament life" is one of the most overrated and misapplied concepts around. I strongly believe this. People who pass up edges are not usually the people who win tournaments.
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