Sickest Spot Poll

[DonkSlayer 1]

Havent made a poll post in years so I decided to make one here, on a non-important hypothetical I was thinking about last night while watching HSP ep 4. Assume (bolded because someone within the first 5 replies will not have paid attention)1. You are three stacks (buyins) deep and villain has you barely covered. 2. Villain is the average of all NLHE cash full ring players, from lowest to highest stakes. 3. You have no read on this villain, nor can you assume he has one on you4. You have not played badly or non-straightforward up to this spot (i.e., you haven't limp/called with AA, etc)In general, assume no action or evidence that adds any variability to the option posed. What's the sickest spot you'd find a fold in, if you had to pick one?

[RickyG033 0]

Meh, they are all pretty sick, but most wouldnt play out with no betting til river than shove. And at that point with nothing invested, somes of these are foldable. So I say the most realistic sickets spot is the KK pre.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I hadn't even thought about it until after I made the post. I think options #2 through #4 I wouldn't find a fold.Option #1 I could find a fold but think it's too common of a spot to be the sickest, and it's not as easy of a fold as # 6. #6 seems the easiest fold to make, based on the range you can assign villain if you played AA straightforward and the given action. Still uber sick and my answer changes if there's a bad beat jackpot #5. I would probably ask someone at the table for a Xanax before making my decision.

[Suited_Up 2]

5 or 6, and that's about it. I can fold 1, but not without knowing the player, so no fold there.I voted for 5.

[I_fold08 1]

yea i voted for 5, but am most likely not folding, or letting some of these hands get to that point

[Balloon guy 158]

Fold?

[Snamuh 0]

How is 5 a difficult fold? Seems like the easiest fold if you ask me.

[JubilantLankyLad 1,957]

How is 5 a difficult fold? Seems like the easiest fold if you ask me.

well, poker is hard.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Havent made a poll post in years so I decided to make one here, on a non-important hypothetical I was thinking about last night while watching HSP ep 4. Assume (bolded because someone within the first 5 replies will not have paid attention)1. You are three stacks (buyins) deep and villain has you barely covered. 2. Villain is the average of all NLHE cash full ring players, from lowest to highest stakes. 3. You have no read on this villain, nor can you assume he has one on you4. You have not played badly or non-straightforward up to this spot (i.e., you haven't limp/called with AA, etc)In general, assume no action or evidence that adds any variability to the option posed. What's the sickest spot you'd find a fold in, if you had to pick one?

To me, it's this one:4s on a 5s 6s 7s 8s board, villain 4-bet shoves on turnEspecially if it's a limped pot. All the others are better places to get it in.

[myenemy 0]

How is 5 a difficult fold? Seems like the easiest fold if you ask me.

As???I actually did fold #3 at the Borgata years ago. I was so certain I was against top set.... I wasn't. Shoot me in the head. #5 or 6, fo sho.

[Gallo 1]

Fold?

[gooch 0]

KK preflop: villain raises 4xbb, you raise 13xbb, villain shoves. having been beat by AK, QQ, AA, JJ and so many others in this situation, this is a fold i can actually make AdQd on 4d5d Xx Xx 8d unpaired board, no betting occurred till river, villain 4-bet your min 3-bet allin tough but possible 2nd set on a completely raggy board, villain 4-bet-shoves on the flop with such a small amount of information from the betting on this one the range is just to much to lay it down, i call this one even though i fully expect top set could be one of the hands they have Top set on paired (but otherwise blank) board, villain allin on turn i think you mean "trips", top set on a paired board would be a boat 4s on a 5s 6s 7s 8s board, villain 4-bet shoves on turn tough, but again this is one i could do AA on As Ks Qs Ax 10s board, no betting till river, villain 3 bet shoves nope, can't lay this down

[DonkSlayer 1]

AdQd on 4d5d Xx Xx 8d unpaired board, no betting occurred till river, villain 4-bet your min 3-bet allin tough but possible AA on As Ks Qs Ax 10s board, no betting till river, villain 3 bet shoves nope, can't lay this down

LoL? No, I meant you had top set on a paired board, like 1010 on a 2 5 10 5, so yeah it's a full house but I needed to make sure everyone knew exactly the hand we have.

[HiN8s 0]

Ok. So I voted for 6, but the more I think about it, I think I could only lay down #5 as this has happened to me and I lost a large amount of my stack. That being said these are all, clearly, difficult laydowns.

[gooch 0]

LoL? No, I meant you had top set on a paired board, like 1010 on a 2 5 10 5, so yeah it's a full house but I needed to make sure everyone knew exactly the hand we have.

lol?i'm not sure of the game you play, but 6d7d is possible holdings of all 9 of the people i play with, including myself, so yeah, i certainly have that fold in metop boat against quads? nope i can't, infact i had this the other nightHole cards: JJBoard ATT9J (3 flush cards on board)Call push on river? You bet I did. He had AA, my tough luckCould he have had TT? Sure, but he could have also had a flush, AT, 99, KK Ax, Tx and make the same playAA vs. AKQAT board? Sure, 1 card beats you the J of spades, but KK and QQ make the same play, I call

[Jam-Fly 8]

I read the question as sickest spot to be inKK preflop: villain raises 4xbb, you raise 13xbb, villain shoves. [ 5 ] [15.15%] I call and go broke if he has AA. Depends on how soft the table is though, and how my bankroll is. I may just fold if I feel I can get a better spot. AdQd on 4d5d Xx Xx 8d unpaired board, no betting occurred till river, villain 4-bet your min 3-bet allin [ 3 ] [9.09%] I voted this one. This is the toughest spot imo. I call though. 2nd set on a completely raggy board, villain 4-bet-shoves on the flop [ 2 ] [6.06%] This is pretty tough. I assume by 4bet you mean, bet, raise, reraise, push? Ugh, I prob call and hope villain has bottom set. Very tough tho.Top set on paired (but otherwise blank) board, villain allin on turn [ 4 ] [12.12%] Eh, I call? Quads is all that beats you. Villain could easily have another FH 4s on a 5s 6s 7s 8s board, villain 4-bet shoves on turn [ 12 ] [36.36%] Easy fold. It's like having the Ks on a 4-spade board. AA on As Ks Qs Ax 10s board, no betting till river, villain 3 bet shoves [ 7 ] [21.21%] Fold. It's gross, but it's a fold.

[Suited_Up 2]

How is 5 a difficult fold? Seems like the easiest fold if you ask me.

Exactly. Whereas the first 4, I'm probably not folding. He asked which is the sickest fold you would actually make.It's not about which is toughest. Which is the tough fold you can actually make.

[gooch 0]

Here is another one you can throw up there, and by throw up I mean itYou AcKc flop is 9cTcJc you bet, he pushesreal hand from the Home Game

[AAsnake88 0]

I don't have a fold button.

[Jam-Fly 8]

Here is another one you can throw up there, and by throw up I mean itYou AcKc flop is 9cTcJc you bet, he pushesreal hand from the Home Game

If it's just you bet, he pushes, it's a call. He could have JJ or a smaller flush. If it was like, bet, raise, reraise, shove, then it's a sick spot.

[TAGteam 0]

Here is another one you can throw up there, and by throw up I mean itYou AcKc flop is 9cTcJc you bet, he pushesreal hand from the Home Game

i dont see how this is a tuff spot. im calling all day. with a smile. oh. and i voted for #5

[DonkSlayer 1]

lol?i'm not sure of the game you play, but 6d7d is possible holdings of all 9 of the people i play with, including myself, so yeah, i certainly have that fold in meAA vs. AKQAT board? Sure, 1 card beats you the J of spades, but KK and QQ make the same play, I call

Exactly. Whereas the first 4, I'm probably not folding. He asked which is the sickest fold you would actually make.It's not about which is toughest. Which is the tough fold you can actually make.

Consider what I said about stack sizes. Then let's apply, say, $300max NL ($1/$2 live in most casinos.), so you have $900 in front and villain has $910. The first one (hypothetical #2), Checked till the river (for whatever reason), you bet $15 into a $25ish pot. Villain raises to $60, you bump it $35 more to $95, and villain shoves for $910 total. Second one (hypothetical #6)Checked to the river (for whatever reason), villain leads $15 into a $25ish pot. You raise to $70 because he has to have at least a small flush here, and he reraises you AI to $910 total. To me, they're both sick spots, but the average of all NL players is playing against you. I see the average player overplaying a K-high flush or nut straight on example #2 than #6, where there are a lot of scary high cards and if the villain was tricky enough to not bet his boat on the turn, it seems he wouldn't 3-bet shove for all but a bit of his stack with 10's full, Q's full, K's full, when AA, KK, AK, AQ, and A10 all beat him.

[gooch 0]

Consider what I said about stack sizes. Then let's apply, say, $300max NL ($1/$2 live in most casinos.), so you have $900 in front and villain has $910. The first one (hypothetical #2), Checked till the river (for whatever reason), you bet $15 into a $25ish pot. Villain raises to $60, you bump it $35 more to $95, and villain shoves for $910 total. Second one (hypothetical #6)Checked to the river (for whatever reason), villain leads $15 into a $25ish pot. You raise to $70 because he has to have at least a small flush here, and he reraises you AI to $910 total. To me, they're both sick spots, but the average of all NL players is playing against you. I see the average player overplaying a K-high flush or nut straight on example #2 than #6, where there are a lot of scary high cards and if the villain was tricky enough to not bet his boat on the turn, it seems he wouldn't 3-bet shove for all but a bit of his stack with 10's full, Q's full, K's full, when AA, KK, AK, AQ, and A10 all beat him.

lets just agree they all suck which is what makes the all in move so good, you are either way ahead or way behind in all of these positionsi understand the whole stack size thing, and bluffing 90% of your stack to win 10% doesn't make sense, it's genius or idiotic, same as the callgiving someone so little betting information is what makes the hands hard to identify, and given almost no information i'm afraid i have to make the call and reload if neededstack size and the game don't make that much diference to me becuase if i am playing the game i'm bankrolled for it and i can afford to get a cooler once in a while, that's pokerthat being said, if i have the nuts in those situations i push too, because second place is calling 99% of the time i think