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I love when the little brother from the north comes out of the snow fort long enough at act like they have any input...The states are at about the bottom of a cycle, we have had a socialist in the WH for 8 yrs and yet still at our lowest point nobody gives a damn or even wonders what Canada is thinking or doing. if you let us worry bout what we care about you can try to figure out what went wrong with your hockey teams.

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What's funny? He has a good brain, a great brain. He talks to a lot of people, the best people, and he has the best plan to make things great. He talks to the best and smartest people and uses his tre

I'm hoping she makes Bernie her VP and the indictment comes after the election

so, not random, not a billionaire. gotcha.

daaamn, a hockey joke to a Canadian? That's next level. You got me good.

 

lol at socialist in the white house. You are so cute with your deep-seated red fear after all these years.

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Here are the numbers of crimes per day committed by illegal aliens in just a few crime categories, based on those GAO numbers and the 90% figure for SCAAP persons over four years.

 

Kidnappings: 9

Murders: 15

Sex offenses: 43

Burglaries: 71

Assaults: 131

 

 

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html#ixzz4B0zafUcM

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you can spin those numbers any way you want.

 

First of all, start by comparing the crime rates to the subset of America that is actually, erm, comparable. try: bottom 10% income bracket in the same areas as these illegal aliens are entering the country and living. An illegal alien living in a low income, crime infested area is more likely to commit a crime than Joe Smith in the suburbs? no freakin way.

 

Also, I know you guys aren't counting murders and crimes committed to other illegal aliens. They are the scum of the earth, who cares right?

 

 

Look, get out the illegal aliens, I don't care, but if you think this is a serious issue that actually affects a large or even moderate sized proportion of American people to the degree that is being depicted, you are drinking way too much kool aid. The fact that this has become the #1 talking point for the republicans in this election is beyond laughable. And if you think Trump, racist or not, isn't pandering to the lowest common denominator who just want those stinky Mexicans out of their damn country, then you are blissfully naïve.

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Question - if an illegal immigrant is arrested for homicide, how likely is it that they are also charged with a crime categorized as "immigration"? And if so, wouldn't they then be tried in federal court for all crimes, including the homicide?

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Why are we obligated to take in immigrants when our economy is a giant debt bomb, wage depression is huge and we're about to enter the greatest paradigm shift humanity has ever known as AI robots start obsolescing the need for low level human involvement in tons and tons of jobs?

 

Are we better off "enriched" and "diverse" with a horde of 3rd world migrants when there's nowhere enough jobs to go around?

Sweden, the great paragon of suicidal altruism, now realizes that in 2017, 60% of all their unemployed are foreign born migrants.

http://www.thelocal....jobless-by-2017

 

Of the 160,000 who applied for asylum there last year, fewer than 500 have jobs. That's a fraction of 1%

http://www.thelocal....kers-found-jobs

 

This idea that the west is obligated to open it doors to anyone and everyone from everywhere is absurd.

"Statistics" on Illegal Immigrants are next to impossible to tally as they live in the shadows, but as someone who lives in the Gotham of illegal Mexican immigration (the sanctuary city known as Chicago), it's not a rosy picture. I've been to the neighborhoods. I pretty much live in one. It's yet another one of those issues where you present idealists with reality and they shout you down with a mixture of buzzwords (racist being the big one) and/or academic theories that posit everything we can see before our eyes is in fact an illusion because someone at some college did a study that says...

 

Canadians are naive about this because their largest minority group are the dreaded Chinese at a whopping 4%.

They are mostly insulated from certain realities, which allows them to maintain certain ideals. You can 'believe' whatever you want as long as you never have to eat your own cooking and confront the consequences of what your ideals wind up creating.

 

Demography is pretty meaningful. We've reached the point when hollering "racist" is no longer a functional silencer in a discussion about demography, which means all we're left to deal with are the facts.

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So Canadians are not biased by personal anecdotes, and that makes them...less qualified to give opinions?

 

You ignored the difference between immigrants and refugees. There is a moral reason to take in refugees, but I would imagine it would be easy to show that the direct economic impact is negative, especially in the short term. So we can disagree on whether the morals outweigh the economic impact.

 

As for immigrants, you and the right seem to present immigration as this Wild West where everyone who wants to can get in, ignoring that legal immigration is an extremely long, arduous and expensive process and is specifically designed for the receiving country's economic gain by being biased in favour of those who are already rich, skilled, or willing to provide below-market labour.

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As for the 'not eating your own cooking', that's just BS. Nova Scotia has let in as many Syrian refugees as the United States, and we have a vibrant Syrian community who are opening small businesses and are not a drain. You know why? Because the initial refugees were welcomed and helped by those who could afford to, and future refugees had a community to move into. So I guess if we are going to strain analogies, I would say that you shouldn't spit into your own soup and then whine about it tasting bad.

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So Canadians are not biased by personal anecdotes, and that makes them...less qualified to give opinions?

 

You ignored the difference between immigrants and refugees. There is a moral reason to take in refugees, but I would imagine it would be easy to show that the direct economic impact is negative, especially in the short term. So we can disagree on whether the morals outweigh the economic impact.

 

As for immigrants, you and the right seem to present immigration as this Wild West where everyone who wants to can get in, ignoring that legal immigration is an extremely long, arduous and expensive process and is specifically designed for the receiving country's economic gain by being biased in favour of those who are already rich, skilled, or willing to provide below-market labour.

 

Canadians are massively sheltered from the daily realities of living alongside "certain cultures" since there are so few of them in Canada. It's kind of unfortunate that the phrase "Stockholm Syndrome" was wasted on such an esoteric and otherwise irrelevant thing as hostage taking. It would've been a much more appropriate label for what happens to a society that has become so prosperous, it develops a naivete to the nature of other people operating on much baser instincts and allows themselves to be preyed upon. Lets call it "Sweden Syndrome" or :"Minnesota Syndrome" since they did much the same and wound up with half of Chicago's welfare class living in Minneapolis until they reformed things in the 90's.

 

The Angry Birds movie is absolutely a subversive allegory about that particular flavor of naive cluelessness that develops in prosperous civilizations. It comes as no surprise it was written by Finns.

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As for the 'not eating your own cooking', that's just BS. Nova Scotia has let in as many Syrian refugees as the United States, and we have a vibrant Syrian community who are opening small businesses and are not a drain. You know why? Because the initial refugees were welcomed and helped by those who could afford to, and future refugees had a community to move into. So I guess if we are going to strain analogies, I would say that you shouldn't spit into your own soup and then whine about it tasting bad.

 

Got some figures?

 

How many Syrians, how many businesses opened, how much tax revenue generated and how much welfare consumed.

 

Let me know.

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you can spin those numbers any way you want.

 

Don;t know what to say to that

 

First of all, start by comparing the crime rates to the subset of America that is actually, erm, comparable. try: bottom 10% income bracket in the same areas as these illegal aliens are entering the country and living. An illegal alien living in a low income, crime infested area is more likely to commit a crime than Joe Smith in the suburbs? no freakin way.

 

Oh that spin, yes take a person and put him in a poor neighborhood and they will succumb to the allure of crime, but Joe the Plumber making a decent wage will not because...curtains?

 

Also, I know you guys aren't counting murders and crimes committed to other illegal aliens. They are the scum of the earth, who cares right?

 

Glad to see that illegals killing illegals is not the same as them killing us honest white folk ....that is your point I take it? Otherwise not sure what to make of your assertion that illegals killing other illegals isn't as bad and shouldn't be counted the same as killing ...insert race/sex/sexual preference here

 

Look, get out the illegal aliens, I don't care, but if you think this is a serious issue that actually affects a large or even moderate sized proportion of American people to the degree that is being depicted, you are drinking way too much kool aid. The fact that this has become the #1 talking point for the republicans in this election is beyond laughable. And if you think Trump, racist or not, isn't pandering to the lowest common denominator who just want those stinky Mexicans out of their damn country, then you are blissfully naïve.

 

So I should take your word for it that Americans don't really care about illegal immigration .

 

Well that makes total sense. Obviously we don't need to worry about Trump getting the nomination because after all, that's his issue that he's running on. NO WAY he'll get more votes than any other republican during the primaries ever...by 34% over Romney.

 

Truth is the democrat party is failing, has been since Obama took office. They lost the house, the senate, both state and federal levels, and the governorships for years now. If they ever want to be relevant as a party again they better change their tune to be anti illegal immigration. I mean if they don't I'm fine with them disappearing as a viable party. I'm just trying to help.

 

Something to think about; Trump so badly screws you guys up that NATE SILVER GOT THE MATH WRONG...hahaha, The darling of the left who used science to shut up republicans got the entire nomination process wrong because he couldn't fathom that America is actually interested in Making America Great Again.

 

 

Don't worry, we'll bring Canada along with us. You guys were born in the lucky neighborhood club and once America grows, so can you. In the mean time you'll get a bunch of our rejects and ne'er-do-wells

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Question - if an illegal immigrant is arrested for homicide, how likely is it that they are also charged with a crime categorized as "immigration"? And if so, wouldn't they then be tried in federal court for all crimes, including the homicide?

 

You would think, since it is the federal government's job to enforce border laws. The Obama DOJ even sued Arizona for daring to enforce the laws written on the books and passed by congress with the full authority of the Constitution. The audacity of Arizona to think the Constitution is relevant when it comes to the laws of this country.

 

But no, by executive orders written by President Obama our immigration laws are in court and in flux. Recently the judge ordered the lawyers for the DOJ to attend Ethics classes because they were democrat shills.

 

We do not enforce the laws. That is the issue, that is why the issue is relevant, and that is why Trump is going to win.

 

 

So no, the number of federal crimes illegals commit is not inflated by adding in the breaking of the federal law about immigration. Although it should be.

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BG, I didn't say that Americans don't care about immigration, I think they care about immigration way too freaking much. Like 1000x too much.

 

Like I said, the immigration issue is a red herring. America has way bigger problems than illegal Mexicans raping and pillaging innocent Americans, and the fact that this is the #1 issue that Trump is running on is a joke. Not a very funny one, mind you.

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Like I said, the immigration issue is a red herring. America has way bigger problems than illegal Mexicans raping and pillaging innocent Americans, and the fact that this is the #1 issue that Trump is running on is a joke.

 

There is no doubt that America has much bigger problems than Mexicans.

The reason that issue resonates with Average Joe is because he's the guy having his job taken by a Mexican willing to live 25 people to a 3 bedroom apartment and work for $8, cash, under the table. He also gets to deal with the crime and squalor that occurs in their communities because his neighborhood got 'enriched'.

 

The funniest thing about the Anti Trump people is that at no point along the way to do they stop to consider why his candidacy is inspiring such energy. They say 'racist' and 'ignorant', they belittle anyone who votes for him but they don't pause to examine what he's saying and why it's so resonant with a YUUUUGE group of taxpayers... and that is why he just might win.

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BG, I didn't say that Americans don't care about immigration, I think they care about immigration way too freaking much. Like 1000x too much.

 

Like I said, the immigration issue is a red herring. America has way bigger problems than illegal Mexicans raping and pillaging innocent Americans, and the fact that this is the #1 issue that Trump is running on is a joke. Not a very funny one, mind you.

 

Something like 150 million people have immigrated to the US since the 70s. In fact the US has taken in more immigrants than all the rest of the world combined. That's 5x Canada's population

 

We've taken in 1/4 of the entire population of Mexico.

 

We still take in about 800,000 Canadians a year. Including Justin Beiber

 

When can we say we've done our share?

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Something like 150 million people have immigrated to the US since the 70s. In fact the US has taken in more immigrants than all the rest of the world combined. That's 5x Canada's population

 

We've taken in 1/4 of the entire population of Mexico.

 

We still take in about 800,000 Canadians a year. Including Justin Beiber

 

When can we say we've done our share?

 

LOL, no

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The reason that issue resonates with Average Joe is because he's the guy having his job taken by a Mexican willing to live 25 people to a 3 bedroom apartment and work for $8, cash, under the table. He also gets to deal with the crime and squalor that occurs in their communities because his neighborhood got 'enriched'.

 

Can you quantify that? How many trump supporters have literally "had their job taken" by an illegal Mexican? If you could push a magic button and remove all illegal Mexicans from the country, would the quality of life of the American people improve in any measurable, non-anecdotal way? I'm not being facetious, I'm honestly curious.

 

 

 

 

The funniest thing about the Anti Trump people is that at no point along the way to do they stop to consider why his candidacy is inspiring such energy. They say 'racist' and 'ignorant', they belittle anyone who votes for him but they don't pause to examine what he's saying and why it's so resonant with a YUUUUGE group of taxpayers... and that is why he just might win.

 

I never said Trump was stupid. He's smartly picked a few hot button issues that have whipped a certain subset of the American population into an absolute fervor, and it glosses over the minor fact that he's completely unfit to actually be the president of the USA. A minor, yet important detail (IMO)

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Something like 150 million people have immigrated to the US since the 70s. In fact the US has taken in more immigrants than all the rest of the world combined. That's 5x Canada's population

 

We've taken in 1/4 of the entire population of Mexico.

 

We still take in about 800,000 Canadians a year. Including Justin Beiber

 

When can we say we've done our share?

 

Oh, now you're just talking about regular, non illegal immigrants? Were your ancestors Native American? If so, that makes you part of a very small percentage of americans that can arguably rightfully grumble about Immigrants taking over "your" country. America (Canada too) is a country of immigrants. It always has been, it always will be. Should you arbitrarily stop taking in immigrants at this particular point in history because the current batch of "Americans" is the correct and rightful batch? Sorry, you lost me.

 

 

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So when you white guys are done telling the Hispanic people who to vote for, you can try to swallow that they're almost 40% for Trump.

 

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/06/07/opinion-big-data-reports-latino-support-for-trump-on-rise-at-37/

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So when you white guys are done telling the Hispanic people who to vote for,

 

 

ahahahaha.

 

I'll just assume there must be a few posters that I've inadvertently blocked that have been having a discussion about who the Hispanic people should be voting for? Otherwise, no clue who you are addressing here.

 

You should just start a pro trump twitter account, I think you might be missing your target audience here. Call it "The American Way". I'm sure you'll have 10,000 followers in no time.

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Can you quantify that? How many trump supporters have literally "had their job taken" by an illegal Mexican? If you could push a magic button and remove all illegal Mexicans from the country, would the quality of life of the American people improve in any measurable, non-anecdotal way? I'm not being facetious, I'm honestly curious.

 

It's an empirical observation so I cannot quantify it with a formal study no more than I can quantify the stink that exists in Calcutta, but both things still exist and anyone who has ever experienced it knows it exists and doesn't need academia to tell him so.

 

As far as 'having jobs taken' by Mexicans, the entire construction industry/all building trades, the entire agriculture industry and most blue collar jobs in general have had a huge, existential shift because of the sudden influx of Mexican migrants over the past 30 years. This has had an impact on wages. I'm sure there's a study out there that concludes they are somehow a net gainer to society because that's what studies tend to do, but everything we can observe (and the implications of what we can observe) are pretty obvious.

 

If we pushed a button and all Mexicans vanished, in a very short period of time, wages in certain industries would rise and real estate values where they used to exist would probably go up.

 

I have nothing against them as a people, but this weird ideal from the left that their presence is somehow inconsequential is just not true and some of the consequences are negative. The left's persistent denial of these things does nothing but foment passionate backlash.

 

I never said Trump was stupid. He's smartly picked a few hot button issues that have whipped a certain subset of the American population into an absolute fervor, and it glosses over the minor fact that he's completely unfit to actually be the president of the USA. A minor, yet important detail (IMO)

 

Other than the embarrassing hair, what makes him unfit?

Our last 5 presidents going back to the 1970's have been as follows.

 

A community organizer/lawyer

An idiot son from a political-dynasty family

A career politician

A career politician

An actor/idealogue

A naive peanut farmer

 

We haven't had an executive of truly presidential caliber actually hold the office since Nixon. Bush 1 was the closest, but Perot fixed him. Granted, Trump is an egoist unlike anything we've seen in the modern era, but some of the greatest presidents have been. Most accomplished people are. Given the direction this country is heading, should we stay the course and continue to elect political personalities, or maybe consider someone with a track record of performance in the real world? We are indeed getting mugged on trade from every angle because the people who run countries like China aren't idiot sons, community organizers, politicians, ideologues or peanut farmers. Would it be such a bad thing that if for the first time in nearly two generations (three?) we have someone who's actually accomplished in the real world and applies that skillset to managing the country rather than having things run by people who view the world as our obligation and America as the benefactor?

 

This is all rhetorical as I am not voting for Trump and will be writing in Sanders but I would be interested to see how you answer those questions because when I see Trump supporters propose them to Trump opponents, all they can manage is saying racist.

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Racist is the standard response to most questions from the left (and the north) it amazes me that people don't see what is happening, the pendulum is swinging and it moving way faster then anyone dreamed, liberals have been exposed, the silent majority has finally started to wake up from its slumber and it is just beginning.

 

I mean honest nobody really likes Trump and he is going to win. Imagine if there was someone who was any good running

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