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I think it all depends on your other cards.... for instance, Ad,As,Js,9d gives you 2 nut flush hopefuls, along with chances for a strait all the way down to the 7. However, Ad,As,3c,9h kills all flush and strait draws (for the most part) and can really hurt you if you get too aggresive with it. If you have a premium hand with AA in it like the first one, You need to be aggressive after the flop to get out draws.

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I dunno about Omaha high but hi/lo AA with one-two other wheel cards is very valuable. I learned this playing 10-20 hi/lo on party. If your heads up with just a low and not even a pair consider yourself quartered. I learned if you got a low heads up you damn well better have some kind of high. With aces you can flop top set, have an over pair and can make aces-up which is pretty strong heads up. Get Championship Omaha by Cloutier if you really wanna know the game better and the value of AA's.

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I dunno about Omaha high but hi/lo AA with one-two other wheel cards is very valuable. I learned this playing 10-20 hi/lo on party. If your heads up with just a low and not even a pair consider yourself quartered. I learned if you got a low heads up you damn well better have some kind of high. With aces you can flop top set, have an over pair and can make aces-up which is pretty strong heads up. Get Championship Omaha by Cloutier if you really wanna know the game better and the value of AA's.

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AA not to be taken too seriously in Omaha-hi unless you flop a set. It's the accompanying cards that'll make the hand most of the time..

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Most hold'em players overvalue pocket aces in omaha. In hold 'em, you don't really need a backup plan for your big pairs. Sometimes you'll make a flush or a straight with them, they are great when you hit a set, but you don't necessarily need a set to beat most hold 'em hands. That is because you only have two other cards to worry about. In omaha, you have 6 combinations of cards per hand to worry about, so your hand almost always has to improve for you to win the pot. You are ahead with them before the flop, but if they don't improve, you are likely beat.If you have the mindset that every omaha hand is a draw (a set is a draw to a full house, in addition to the straights and flush draws that we are all used to) then it will be much less frustrating when you lose with things like pocket aces or kings.If you decide not to raise with them, you are likely to get more action when your aces make the nuts because in omaha high (when you are playing with converted hold 'em players), a raise before the flop usually means aces or another big pair, so if an ace hits the board and the board pairs, you haven't disguised your hand very well and the only action you are likely to get is from the guy with quads who made them when the board paired :wink: . In O8B, it either means A-2 or aces, though far more often it is a-2. In any event, disguising your hand will often get you more action against players that pay attention to what you'll raise with, but against those who don't, go ahead and pop it up before the flop.

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With Omaha Hi/lo my favorite hands to play are 3 cards in a wheel with a high kicker preferrably an ace. Hand like 345 K 234 A and such double suited are what i love, more so than the high end hands. I like to nut the low and try to push out the hi's.

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I would much rather have 10 J Q K in my hand than A A x x for omaha Hi. For Hi / Lo i also would much rather have A 2 3 4 than A A x x

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I think it has a lot to do with your position. If you are in early position, then your pot raise isn't very intimidating, and are likely to get a lot of callers, which isn't good because if you are going to have any success with Aces in Omaha, you need to be heads up, or have only two opponents. If, however, you are on the button or paying a blind, then the pot will likely already be decent, and you can then jam the pot pretty good and hopefully get down to heads up.I find that if I'm in an early position, I like to just call, and hope the pot gets raised by somebody else, because then by the time the action gets back to me, the pot is fairly substantial, and I can really crank it up and ensure only one are two are likely to call.Post flop? Tune into chapter 2-37 for that... :D

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it depends if your playing limit or pot-limit. If it's pot-limit, the Aces are fairly strong, if it's limit, they won't hold up 95% of the time, now if they're double suited and connected, cap that pot pre-flop if possible. The best hands in Omaha are obviously double suited connectors, so I think you will want to play those very aggressively in either limit or pot-limit, because you will hit more often than not. I think Limit Omaha is probably the easiest game to play, it's also fun being able to play so many hands and rivering people for once :D I was playing it today as well as Stud and it gave me a nice break from Hold'em and I made a nice little profit as well, so all was good.

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Naked aces are crazily overrated by new players.People betting the pot pre-flop with AA79 unsuited in PLO8 crack me up.
I love those guys too :)Only time in PL O/8 that I like having aces is when I get a short all in with kings - its really a holdem game at that point.
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I think Limit Omaha is probably the easiest game to play, it's also fun being able to play so many hands and rivering people for onceYeah, no offense, but if you're playing a lot of hands in Omaha you're going to killed if you don't get very lucky. Pre-flop hand selection is much more important than in Holdem and you have to play much tighter to win.

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I don't think thats the case for limit Omaha, practically every hand is playable, if they're connected, suited or whatever. Post flop play is where money is made or lost in Limit Omaha. You can't just keep waiting for AAKQ double suited and etc. Often times, those great starting hands end up losing anyways, because every hand in Omaha needs help on the board to win. I'm not very loose though, I don't play hands unless theyre connected/suited pretty well, but I end up playing more hands than I would in hold'em, that's for sure.

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Yeah, no offense, but if you're playing a lot of hands in Omaha you're going to killed if you don't get very lucky.  Pre-flop hand selection is much more important than in Holdem and you have to play much tighter to win.
Smash...don't be giving this tidbit away...lol
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The best hand in Omaha hi is AAJT double suited
oops, wrong. AAKK double suited wins the most often. Head up against AAJT ds it will win about four percent more, and in a multi way it will win even more than that. Mike Capaletti proved it in his Omaha book
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The best hand in Omaha hi is AAJT double suited
oops, wrong. AAKK double suited wins the most often. Head up against AAJT ds it will win about four percent more, and in a multi way it will win even more than that. Mike Capaletti proved it in his Omaha book
In a simulation to showdown, you are correct. That is what Cappelletti "proved" in his book (note, a simulation really doesn't PROVE anything). However, there are several important factors to consider. In many of those simulated hands, those kings might not look like they are the winning hand until the turn or the river, and even then they are not necessarily easy to play. In a high only game (or even in high-low split), a flop of 7 8 9 is likely to cause a good omaha player to fold AAKK double suited unless there is some type of flush draw available (and maybe even with a backdoor flush draw possibility if there is heavy action), but in a simulation, the turn and river could be K 8, giving the kings a big full house (the near-nuts). In real life, decisions are made, while in simulations, the hand is dealt all the way to the river each time, without regard to the playability of any hand at any point.I would much rather have AAJ10 than AAKK, honestly, because with AAKK, you have one straight to draw to, two big pairs to try to hit, and two possible flush draws. That's it. You are rarely going to win with an unimproved big pair in omaha, and you will rarely hold on to it to win even if it would have won (if I don't improve on my hand on the flop, I'm rarely holding onto a big pair without any other reasonable draws). With AAJ10, you have 4 nut straight draws, two flush draws, a big pair, etc. i find a flop of 8 9 2 to be much more playable holding AAJ10 than AAKK because even if my pair of aces are best right now, it will be hard for me to know that they are still best on the turn or river unless I happen upon a flush. I guess it's a matter of opinion which hand is better, but I just wanted to point out that most of what you read in poker books is not 100% fact (unless you are talking about calculating outs, for example). Nuff said.. (more than enough, probably)
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